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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 9:25:17 PM

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http://mydaughtersarmy.org/open-letter-to-my-trump-supporting-family/

More than half of Americans agree.


I won’t bore you with my journey to “wokeness” or why the things you tolerate literally sicken me. Sexual predator? “They’re not hot enough to sexually assault.” Racist bully? “Fake news.” Uncompassionate bigot? “They should stay in their own damn countries.” Even if I had the capacity and patience to expound on every deviation from the America I thought existed, you wouldn’t care. Why? Because you’ve stopped listening. The rise of Fox News means you’ve stopped reading the papers. And even if you did, you wouldn’t be intrigued or inquisitive about what they say because you’ve bought into the idea that the press is the enemy of the people (except for Fox News and the National Review, which get passes because, well, why?).


"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
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The Ghent university just published some interesting research on the correlation between empathy and right-wing voting. You can read up about it in this article.

It starts explaining why things that sicken me can be tolerated by other people.
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Socialists in Central and East-European countries have the origin of their power in communist totalitarian ideology.

Socialist in Central and East Europe benefited from over 50 years of active support of communist regime imposed by force upon nations that were not before deprived of their own identity. Socialists in Central and Eastern Europe were traitors of their own nations because they were co-operating with external, communist enemy of the legally elected pervious governments.

It is my understanding that socialists are for 'peaceful' dispute resolution because their fathers and mothers by force overtook power from legally elected parliamentarian representatives.

During the time while the Soviet Union existed, money were sent to socialists in Western Europe from communist organisations located within the communist direct sphere of influence.

The subversive activities of socialists in the Western Europe were supported by communist cells located within Western Europe.


Nowadays, it is a policy of besmirching campain to sully the reputation of those who are not socialists.




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So the guy had been brainwashed into thinking that his country was the best in the world and then he suddenly discovered that wasn't true. That's a painful realization, but both his country and his family still are what they have been. What has changed is his notion of them. If it's now closer to reality, that's actually good.

What is the objective of his letter? This isn't quite clear to me. Is it just a complaint?

Neither side of this conflict is going to disappear, so they will have to make compromises if they want to live peacefully in one country. Yes, maybe holding their noses, but what is the alternative? If you can't convince your opponents and aren't ready to exterminate them, you have to make concessions.
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Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:28:05 AM

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'Trump' is British slang for fart. I wonder what 'Johnson' is American slang for? Think

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RSoul
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Y111 wrote:
What is the objective of his letter? This isn't quite clear to me. Is it just a complaint?


There is a long tradition in the Western world of writing open letters. Martin Luther wrote several I believe and Emile Zola famously wrote one about the Dreyfus Affair.

The form itself is even older. The Epistles of Paul in the New Testament were probably open letters, although it seems there is some controversy about who was the actual author of these.

The objective (as I see it) is to make certain tendentious points about a particular subject or situation known to a wider audience. Possibly to show solidarity with a particular group or viewpoint.

These missives are often published after the writer has experienced some type of personal paradigm shift. Or feels particularly vocal about perceived miscarriages of justice or errant behaviour by the authorities.

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RSoul
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taurine wrote:


The subversive activities of socialists in the Western Europe were supported by communist cells located within Western Europe.


Nowadays, it is a policy of besmirching campain to sully the reputation of those who are not socialists.




Is this like a European 'reds under the beds' thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

I must have missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkiqGxD4CZ8

I've always been a big Brecht fan though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMWc4h77e2o

I may be a closet commie ....

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Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:13:20 PM

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Wow. How very interesting. It isn’t often that we get the opportunity to see someone display their personal transition from one state of mind, and perspective, to another. So this is an amazing thing to behold.

The American author in the link says he was raised with a love of country, no doubt a love of family also, a sense of pride in the accomplishments of our Nation, and the desire to make things better for everyone. I, too, was raised with those sentiments and desires, but long before him, for I was raised in the 1950 and 60’s.

I witnessed the dual standards and treatment of the races, and of women. And I saw the marches, heard the speeches, supported the idea of equality, for there was much that wasn’t fair in society. My parents taught that no person was better than another, that everyone should be treated with respect, that we were all flawed and needed to improve.

The odd thing about my experience was that I didn’t get the message that he apparently did – that he, the country, and everyone in it were all perfect. So when he was old enough to join the Navy, travel outside the U.S., and observe the rest of the world, he was shocked to discover that the country, and everyone else in it were not perfect.

Now, for most people, discovering that one is not perfect, that one makes mistakes, this usually makes one a bit more tolerant of the mistakes of others, but in the case of this author, he does not admit to being imperfect, doesn’t fit into that category, and can, therefore, set himself up as that final arbiter and judge of what is imperfect. And he does so.

He sits in judgment of the country and its citizens, deeming them to be faulty, to be abusive, to have failed to be perfect. He is disappointed in both the country and in the remainder of us, focusing on every negative aspect he can think of. And so the focus on all that was, or is, negative caused in him, a change of mind.

And apparently, this change crystallized into its imperious form in one night, the night a person was elected President by the system he grew up under, one he once adored, but now presented him with a choice he didn’t agree with. So now, the country and its people have been judged and found wanting. He became “woke”.

He says he won’t bore us with his “wokeness”, but then he does, telling us how it sickens him, how he has given up on all of us imperfect fellow citizens. He even turns his back on his own offspring, his daughter, for the “crime” of continuing to have faith in her country, for believing in its leader, and for the desire to make the country great – indeed, he abandons her for holding to all the things he used to believe in himself, but now views with disgust.

So we have presented to us in stark relief, the transition of a mind from that of a loving, happy, patriotic family man, to the mind of a dystopian, miserable, hateful, example of the modern-day Progressive Liberal, who is disgusted with his country, his own daughter, and, I believe, himself, though he is too ignorant to be aware of that as the true source of his animosity; for fear and weakness generate hate, and hate displaces rational thought in the minds of those who embrace it.

Hmmm...“Fascinating”, as Mr. Spock might say, but very illustrative ...Think




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RSoul
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:33:05 PM

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Interestingly, that wasn't what I inferred from reading it. But I'm foreign, so my opinion doesn't count.

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Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:24:07 PM

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Thanks everyone for the discussion.

Trump has not only split the country, he has split families.

I think the letter was probably written in frustration at the end of his rope as a form of relief. You know how you write a letter but then don't mail it to the people or delete it? Perhaps he couldn't bring himself to denounce his parents in person - he loves them but does not like what they now stand for - but felt better after writing about his disillusionment after what has happened to the country he loves and fought for. People write letters to the editor of newspapers all the time in the US and Canada, anyhow.

Maybe Trump did this man a favour as he stopped giving his country excuses when the scum crawled out from under the rocks with Trump's encouragement.


There are a lot of people around the world who are shocked that the underlying stink every country has was so big because they only knew the US superficially, yet there are also people from many countries who are not shocked.

And that is why I’m done with you and your ilk. We’re still family; you raised me; we share the same blood.  But we come from and live in two different countries."

He may have assumed there are many of the younger generation who feel the same towards their parents so he posted an open letter - and there are. I have seen posts on Twitter where young adults are trying various ways to get their parents to stop watching Fox News as their only source.

Apparently this man's family disagrees at family meetings. Our family's method is that religion and politics are off the table at family gatherings. I have never tried to influence anybody. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. That wouldn't stop the underlying disappointment if there were such huge disagreements.

This article gives the details of the split amongst Americans. (I am surprised (and thankful) that Republicans make up only 27% of the electorate.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/09/trump-is-isolationist-protectionist-climate-denier-voters-arent/

Trump says the economy is great yet 37% say it is worse.
Trump refuses to back universal background checks. 61% want stricter gun laws.
Trump is against the environment yet 56% want to protect it. (That few!)
Trump is against non white immigration yet 62% think that legal immigrants strengthen a country, compared with only 28 percent who think they are a burden. Only 23% agree with separating children from parents at border. (That many!)
Trump is an isolationist yet 69% think US should be active in world affairs. 73% like NATO
Trump is a protectionist yet 87% think international trade is good — "a whopping increase of 28 points since Trump was elected".

These next figures show how public opinion can be swayed easily using Trump's many methods:

With the help of media "Trump is brainwashing Republicans despite his breaks with decades of Republican orthodoxy on trade, immigration, alliances and other issues. The Chicago Council found that the number of Republicans who view immigration as a threat has risen to 78 percent from 67 percent in 2016, while the number who view China as a threat has increased to 54 percent from 41 percent in 2017. A bare majority of Republicans (51 percent) now support a U.S. leadership role in the world, down from 57 percent in 2015. And only 23 percent of Republicans view climate change as a threat.


It is deeply unfortunate that Trump is dragging Republicans deeper into the fever swamps of climate denialism, nativism, protectionism and isolationism. The good news is that, according to Gallup, Republicans make up only 27 percent of the electorate, a figure that grows to 40 percent if you add in Republican-leaning independents. The rest of the country is repulsed by the president and his odious views."


"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:57:08 PM

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I too could write an open letter about my disappointment with Canada in the last 10-13 years or so. The US is not the only country with identity problems.

For ten years Canada had a Conservative PM who when he got a majority government chipped away at democracy, muzzled science, made a secret trade agreement with China that lasts for 31 years and favours China, sent troops to war, sold tanks to Saudi Arabia, was secretive and controlled his cabinet, loosened the rules of protection for wildlife, fisheries, and forests, natural resources, sold a large proportion of the press to a Conservative US hedge fund, and at the end had started anti Muslim rhetoric. etc. I thought we had tossed the bums but they are making a comeback, especially in the provinces. Then Trump happened and what happens in the US does not stay in the US. The foul wind blew north.

Election in October will tell what direction Canada will take.

I never heard such garbage in any previous election. The minister of the environment now needs a security detail. A Conservative hollered at the Liberal Prime Minister that he was going to rape his wife. More and more people are screaming in public at those of a different colour/culture telling them to go back where they came from when they were born here and are citizens of Canada.

So this stink was always here too but it was hidden same as it was in the States. Canadians too are being brainwashed and have become brazen in their outbursts. Some of it is because of social media. Some of it is because there are too many people in the world and the competition for resources is heating up. And will get worse with the climate causing damage and shrinking land and resources even more.

It really is sad that along with chipping at democracy, civility is taking a hit too. There are no laws about thinking, but there are laws about nasty actions in public.

Am I wrong in thinking that others could write similar posts about "the times they are a-changing" in their countries? And not for the better.

"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
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Hope123 wrote:
Trump has not only split the country, "[/i]


Trump did not split the country. The split has been there for years.

Trump did the unspeakable - he said what many people thought and felt. Pretty well all his faults were well known before the election, and yet 46% of those who voted opted for him.

Now, after nearly twenty months in office, Trump has approval ratings of about 40% in the country as a whole and over 80% among Republicans.



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the scum crawled out from under the rocks with Trump's encouragement


Hmmm. Some 40-46% of the country are scum. That's going to encourage them to vote Trump out - Not!

Hope123
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BobShilling wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
Trump has not only split the country, "[/i]


Trump did not split the country. The split has been there for years.

Trump did the unspeakable - he said what many people thought and felt. Pretty well all his faults were well known before the election, and yet 46% of those who voted opted for him.

Now, after nearly twenty months in office, Trump has approval ratings of about 40% in the country as a whole and over 80% among Republicans.



Quote:
the scum crawled out from under the rocks with Trump's encouragement


Hmmm. Some 40-46% of the country are scum. That's going to encourage them to vote Trump out - Not!



Hi Bob.

Yes, the country has pretty much always been split with basically a two party system, but Trump has indeed made it more prominent. Families used to accept differing opinions in politics but it is definitely different with Trump. It is no longer just differing policies. As the letter writer says, Americans against Trump feel their values have been compromised. They feel the very identity of who they are as Americans is being questioned. Republicans used to tout themselves as the party of family values but that is no more. People are now dreading family holiday celebrations.

You have to give Trump one thing - he has pulled off quite a coup in three years with no military intervention - the GOP, the Grand Old Party, is no more. It is now the Party of Trump. What happens in 2020 will decide where the US goes.

Why his approval ratings are so high is the point. As mentioned in my post Trump has managed to change public opinion on several major issues by discrediting the media so people believe only his endorsed media who then help perpetuate the proven lies Trump tells daily. This is one reason for the higher approval ratings. Plus if people think the end goal is being reached, some will be able to overlook what they don't like while others can't.

Although he IS the only president to never reach an approval rating at some point of at least 50%. His highest approval is 46% and since 1937 the highest approval ratings of other presidents goes from 66% to 99%. Republicans and those leaning is around 39%. So 80% of 39% is 31.2% of the electorate.

No where did I say or imply that 40-46% are scum. I am talking about the rise in numbers of all the videos that people are posting these days in both Canada and the US of racists approaching strangers in public and attacking them verbally or even physically. Of white people being treated differently by the police in Canada and the US. Of the mass shootings that are by white terrorist perpetrators who often have hatred of "Others" in their minds and quoted Trump as influencer. Of more politicians needing security. Fossil Fuel interests promoting climate denial is creating hatred for politicians who are trying to do something towards mitigation.

Part of the increase is that now people have phones we see more of it, and it is imitated. There is no doubt that race and hate crimes have proliferated recently.

In Canada hate crimes reported by police went up 47% in 2017. In the US the growing extent of the problem was highlighted by the fact that 2018 marked a 42% increase over the 2010 hate crimes reported. This is not all at Trump's door but he certainly has contributed. When the leader accepts certain behaviour others begin to approve of it too and act upon it.


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Hope123
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Bob, I just saw this. Trump's ratings are down. 60% fear a recession (with good reason according to financial experts re tariffs etc.) Economy is his talking point for re-election.

https://www.newsandguts.com/wapo-poll-trump-approval-slips-6-in-10-americans-expect-a-recession/

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Hope123 wrote:
In Canada hate crimes reported by police went up 47% in 2017.


And, this has what to do with Trump exactly?

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Hope123 wrote:
For ten years Canada had a Conservative PM who when he got a majority government ... made a secret trade agreement with China that lasts for 31 years and favours China ...


I'm not sure what 'Conservative' implies in Canadian politics, which I don't have much knowledge of admittedly. Trade agreements with China though, whether clandestine or not, are an inevitability.

China is the future of trade and industry, whether anyone likes it or not. They are not an emerging superpower; they are a (especially an industrial) superpower.

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BobShilling wrote:

Hope123 wrote:
Trump has not only split the country, "[/i]


Trump did not split the country. The split has been there for years.

This is a true statement. I said in my last post that fear generates hate, but ignorance also breeds hate. A man without a memory doesn’t know who he is. A woman without a memory doesn’t know what to believe, what to think, or which ideas are good ones and which are bad ones. A person without a memory doesn’t understand what is happening around them.

A country without a memory is in a similar situation. It doesn’t know what direction to go in, or how to make good choices. There are too many today who are ignorant of history, and therefore, are ignorant of what is currently happening to the country. This is by design.

I will necessarily have to paint in broad strokes so as to avoid an overly long post, so bear with me, though I feel it will have to be long anyway.

Just over a hundred years ago, the Socialist Party of America (SPA) was formed (1901). It was supported by trade unions, “progressives”, and immigrants. It found a friend in both President Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

In 1919, the Socialist Party split after the Russian Revolution, and the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) was formed. It tied itself closely with labor unions, and other Communist parties in other countries, and influenced political and labor movements in the early 20th century.

It allied itself tightly with the Democrat Party and grew in strength from the 1920’s thru the 1940’s. As a political tactic, it sought out strife anywhere it could find it in American society, and exacerbated it as much as possible. It was very successful in the areas of racism and segregation, two problems that had not be properly solved after the War Between the States (the so-called “Civil War”, thought there is hardly anything “civil” about war – a pun).

Because the Party became, or was seen to be, a growing threat, a push-back began which became known as McCarthyism, named after Senator Joseph McCarthy, who came to be seen as the leader of the movement. As a result of his efforts, and those who supported him, Communism became a dirty word in America. So the Communists lost much of their influence, went underground, and changed their name to “Progressives”, a title they had used early on.

Working behind the scenes in the 1960’s, they stoked the fires of racial animosity which led to the U.S. finally confronting the unfairness of racial inequality. So that was a good thing, but done for an evil reason (evil used here as having its pure definition – selfishness). They created groups, primarily college students who were easily influenced (termed “useful idiots” – attributed to Vladimir Lenin) like the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), and began agitations on college campuses which spilled over into the streets, resulting in the riots of the late 1960’s.

In the beginning of the decade, they joined in opposing integration. They supported the continuation of the separation of the races. But then, later in the decade, when the problem reached its apex with rioting in the streets, they switched to supporting integration and Civil Rights (they always take the side that produces the most friction).

This strife caused most of our society to see that this problem did need to be fixed, so the Civil Rights Act was passed and segregation was outlawed. All people were to be treated equally, though that wasn’t what actually happened. A demand was made (whoever could have been behind that, I wonder?) to “redress” past wrongs by giving preference to those wronged. The Supreme Court ruled that so-called “reverse discrimination” was okay. Blacks were to be given preferential treatment. So it should not be too difficult to see why the problem didn’t really get resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. (Today the demand is for “reparations”. Another red herring useful only for the strife it can cause).

But this presented the enemies of America some new and unique opportunities. Having been so successful in roiling the country in that area, they moved on to agitate for the equal rights for women, resulting in the Women’s Movement, then for Gays, and now for Trans-sexual rights. Each group had legitimate complaints, but in each case, the Socialists never really wanted solutions for the problems, but only exacerbated them by continually shifting the goals. Today, immigration is the focus of agitation, and many people happily go along with our enemies out of ignorance of what is actually happening.

So these divisions have been with us for a long time. The election of President Trump is simply the current push-back that has been building for decades as the majority number of our society have seen themselves denigrated, insulted and abused by “Progressives” for their own selfish purposes.

Today, the Socialists/Communists have removed the mask and openly run for the Presidency, thinking that have been successful enough to make it happen, to be able to establish Socialism and eventually Communism here in the U.S. As I stated at the start, ignorance breeds hate, and hate is being used via ignorance of our history to divide Americans as hasn’t been done since the Civil War. This, too, is by design.

In the past, anyone who stated such things was accused of being crazy, a conspiracy nut, and I may well be accused of that here, but I point you to the current crop of “Progressive Democrats” running for office in our next election as evidence, the proof, each trying to move farther to the political Left than their fellow contenders, Bernie Sanders being the poster boy for that ideology.

It remains to be seen if the Socialists have created enough “useful idiots” to make that happen. I’m a “glass half-full” kind of fellow, so I think it won’t happen. But I’ve no doubt our enemies will continue to fight, so we must also. And the best way to do that is to learn from history and banish ignorance.

President Trump, as the leader of this push-back is the target of all the hate the Left can manage. Their hatred for him grows exponentially with his every success because they have not been able to damage him, no matter how hard they have tried – and they have REALLY tried. This explains the animosity for him that is continually demonstrated in the postings here.




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That's the best spin on 'McCarthyism' I've read in ages. I admire your sheer creativity. I'm genuinely impressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec0clERjQ5A

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RSoul wrote:
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In Canada hate crimes reported by police went up 47% in 2017.


And, this has what to do with Trump exactly?


A lot. I'm not going to repeat what I already explained, Edited : but Canada is closely connected to US, trends from US often move up here, and Republican money and Koch money has its hold up here in fossil fuels and the media. Trump is mostly hated by Canadians but some have adopted his credo, even using Trump's name in explanation for their disturbing actions. We hardly ever heard about US news unless it was sensational or affected Canada, but now with US $ in the media all we hear and see is Trump, Trump, Trump. So tiresome that many don't watch the news and go to the UK for world news.

The agreement with China may be fine. The point was Harper's secrecy.

Canada has four parties. Liberals, Conservatives, New Democratic Party, and Greens.

Conservatives are on the Right. They used to be called Progressive Conservatives until they were hijacked by a western party called the Reform Party. We voted PC when they were for fiscal conservatism but social responsibility but now they are going very far to the right with their religious ideas and cutting taxes for the rich while cutting services for everyone else. They have created more debt than Liberals.

Liberals are actually Centrists: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/eppp-archive/100/205/300/liberal-ef/05-05-18/www.liberal.ca/philosophy_e.aspx

NDP are Left and supported by unions.

Greens - who knows - have one seat.

Liberals mainly rule with Conservatives interspersed. NDP had a great leader and came close to getting power federally but lost it when he died. NDP have occasionally been in power for short runs provincially.

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Hope123 wrote:
A lot.

Has Trump bought Canada (after failing to buy Greenland) then?

Hope123 wrote:
I'm not going to repeat what I already explained.


What explanation?

Hope123 wrote:
Canada has four parties. Liberals, Conservatives, New Democratic Party, and Greens.

Conservatives are on the Right. They used to be called Progressive Conservatives until they were hijacked by a western party called the Reform Party. We voted PC when they were for fiscal conservatism but social responsibility but now they are going very far to the right with their religious ideas and cutting taxes for the rich while cutting services for everyone else. They have created more debt than Liberals.

Liberals are actually Centrists: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/eppp-archive/100/205/300/liberal-ef/05-05-18/www.liberal.ca/philosophy_e.aspx

NDP are Left and supported by unions.

Greens - who knows - have one seat.

Liberals mainly rule with Conservatives interspersed. NDP had a great leader and came close to getting power federally but lost it when he died. NDP have occasionally been in power for short runs provincially.


OK, thanks for the info.

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A lot. I'm not going to repeat what I already explained, but Canada is closely connected to US, trends from US often move up here, and Republican money and Koch money has its hold up here in fossil fuels and the media. Trump is mostly hated by Canadians but some have adopted his credo, even using Trump's name in explanation for their disturbing actions.

Sorry, missed your edit. I'm still not convinced, you can't really blame Trump for an increase of hate crimes in Canada.

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RSoul wrote:
A lot. I'm not going to repeat what I already explained, but Canada is closely connected to US, trends from US often move up here, and Republican money and Koch money has its hold up here in fossil fuels and the media. Trump is mostly hated by Canadians but some have adopted his credo, even using Trump's name in explanation for their disturbing actions.

Sorry, missed your edit. I'm still not convinced, you can't really blame Trump for an increase of hate crimes in Canada.


I said it could not all be laid at his door BUT he has influenced and contributed. The timing is right as well You would have to be here to know just how much influence the US and now Trump has on Canada and Canadians - some good, some bad. But people actually try to NOT mention Trump's name in social situations now. He is on the list of no politics, no religion, and now no Trump.

And his name is mentioned by perps.

The mail bomber mentioned Donald Trump. The white supremacist coast guard mentioned Donald Trump. The synagogue shooter mentioned Donald Trump. The New Zealand terrorist mentioned Donald Trump. The Canadian mosque shooter mentioned Donald Trump. The El Paso shooter was after Mexicans and Trump denigrated them in the campaign.

If only we could identify a pattern in all of these....

The president of the United States inspires hate and violence and it is not limited to his own country.


"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 2:23:09 PM

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https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-explains-what-democratic-socialism-means-2019-3

"So when millennials talk about concepts like democratic socialism, we're not talking about these kinds of 'Red Scare' boogeyman," she said. "We're talking about countries and systems that already exist that have already been proven to be successful in the modern world."(Like Canada, Scandinavia, UK etc.)

"During the Cold War, animosity toward the Soviet Union manifested into anxiety over the term "socialist," which has since remained an often-misunderstood term in US politics."


Millennials do seem to know and remember enough history to recognize the difference between historical versions of socialism and a collective conscience.

:::::


FounDit wrote:"A man without a memory doesn’t know who he is. A woman without a memory doesn’t know what to believe, what to think, or which ideas are good ones and which are bad ones. A person without a memory doesn’t understand what is happening around them."


Why are men and women with no memory different do you think?


At least the reasons for hating Trump have moved beyond failure to win the election. 😀 It has nothing to do with his disruptive trade policies or his foreign policies with N Korea, Iran, & China, or inviting the Taliban to Camp David, or his protectionism, nationalism, isolationism, his subtle encouragement of violence, his character or his lack of empathy, his meanness to others, or his "Sharpies". Of course not. The hatred must be the Democrats fault. It could never be for legitimate reasons for whom they are hating. .

"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 3:22:20 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
RSoul wrote:
A lot. I'm not going to repeat what I already explained, but Canada is closely connected to US, trends from US often move up here, and Republican money and Koch money has its hold up here in fossil fuels and the media. Trump is mostly hated by Canadians but some have adopted his credo, even using Trump's name in explanation for their disturbing actions.

Sorry, missed your edit. I'm still not convinced, you can't really blame Trump for an increase of hate crimes in Canada.


I said it could not all be laid at his door BUT he has influenced and contributed. The timing is right as well You would have to be here to know just how much influence the US and now Trump has on Canada and Canadians - some good, some bad. But people actually try to NOT mention Trump's name in social situations now. He is on the list of no politics, no religion, and now no Trump.

And his name is mentioned by perps.

The mail bomber mentioned Donald Trump. The white supremacist coast guard mentioned Donald Trump. The synagogue shooter mentioned Donald Trump. The New Zealand terrorist mentioned Donald Trump. The Canadian mosque shooter mentioned Donald Trump. The El Paso shooter was after Mexicans and Trump denigrated them in the campaign.

If only we could identify a pattern in all of these....

The president of the United States inspires hate and violence and it is not limited to his own country.


Meh, Trump's a spoiled brat, that's all. There are probably many reasons for mass shootings. The predominant reasons are probably retaliations to atrocities committed by particular groups against innocent civilians in Western targets.

Obviously I don't subscribe to Trump's point of view. He's nothing more than a populist playing to the gallery. I doubt many Europeans take him that seriously. After watching him mock a disabled person as he was campaigning I really just see him as a sad clown. I'm physically disabled, I wasn't offended. I just thought Trump was acting like the school bully trying to make himself look like a big deal. I remember thinking how sad it was that a presidential candidate would make fun of someone with a disability. What kind of a person does that and keep any integrity?

Trump couldn't inspire anything or anybody.


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RSoul
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"If only we could identify a pattern in all of these...."

Gingham?

There is no pattern.

There was a motive to the Manchester Arena bombing and the Nice lorry attack though.

Ubuntu isn't Swahili for 'can't install Debian'.
BobShilling
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FounDit wrote:

President Trump, as the leader of this push-back is the target of all the hate the Left can manage. Their hatred for him grows exponentially with his every success because they have not been able to damage him, no matter how hard they have tried – and they have REALLY tried. This explains the animosity for him that is continually demonstrated in the postings here.


No. The animosity is because he is a misogynistic, racist, self-serving, petulant liar.
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An Open Letter to President Trump

September 10th, 2019

President Donald John Trump
POTUS
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C


Dear Mr President,

I’ll keep this missive succinct. I would like to thank you most sincerely for distracting the entire world from noticing the pig’s ear my government is making of the Brexit crisis.

Yours very truly,


RSoul

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RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 3:54:55 PM

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P.S. Succinct means short.

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RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 3:58:41 PM

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P.P.S. Missive is another word for a letter.

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leonAzul
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:03:00 PM

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P.P.P.S. The third "P" is for pedantic.
Whistle


"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:12:27 PM

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There wasn't a third 'P'. Should have gone to Specsavers!

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PPPPS. Specsavers means Lenscrafters

Voldermort for Trump 2020
RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 4:59:55 PM

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P.P.P.P.P.S. Beanz means Heinz.

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towan52
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RSoul wrote:
P.P.P.P.P.S. Beanz means Heinz.


Which causes more "trumps" Whistle

Voldermort for Trump 2020
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RSoul wrote:
That's the best spin on 'McCarthyism' I've read in ages. I admire your sheer creativity. I'm genuinely impressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec0clERjQ5A


I did say I had to paint in broad strokes...Dancing


We should look to the past to learn from it, not destroy our future because of it — FounDit
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