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Atatürk
Posted: Saturday, September 7, 2019 6:53:00 PM

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Here's part of a native speaker's routine:

"I will wake up and I get woken up by my alarm clock. It comes on at 6.30 in the morning. I’d lean over and put it on sleep. I put it on sleep again and I go back to sleep. I’ve had enough I’m going to get up. I pull back the duvet and get out of bed and I’m usually like a zombie, I’m yawning, staggering through the living room to get to the toilet."

Why has the speaker used the future "will" while for habitual actions the present tense is used?

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Romany
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 7:33:28 AM
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It's a really sloppy paragraph - sounds like he's STILL not awake.

I hve no idea why anyone would say "I will wake up" and then immediately contradicts themselves to say "I get woken up by...". The next sentence is "It comes on..." which is present and then "I would lean over..." past.....

It's a dog's dinner of a sentence and I don't see any purpose in trying to make sense of it: it's very sub-standard English. (Just because someone's a native speaker it doesn't indicate how well or how badly they use their native language.)
Atatürk
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:04:45 PM

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Thank you very much.

Isn't the use of "would" to show uncertainty rather than past event?

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thar
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:19:49 PM

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no, the would in
I'd lean over
for example, is an habitual action - what you always did, in the past.

I agree it is a right mess. Tenses all over the place, bad style of repetition. And how do you pull back the duvet when you are under it? Without elastic arms?
Atatürk
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 2:26:27 PM

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A dog's dinner of a sentence!

Maybe because it's spoken English?

The speaker is an educated Briton.


http://teacherluke.co.uk/2012/03/13/a-day-in-the-life/


I've been listening to his podcasts for a while now to improve my listening and speaking. Would you suggest I find another podcast program?



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BobShilling
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 3:23:12 PM
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Atatürk wrote:
Would you suggest I find another podcast program?



In his podcast, he said that his description of his day would be like 'a stream of consciousness thing". That's fine - it's natural enough, though not very well structured, as we might expect. Listen to it is you wish, but don't expect grammatical precision in that type of thing,
Romany
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 5:00:52 PM
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That makes all the difference, Bob.

Ataturk, if it was indeed a "stream of consciousness" thing then one doesn't expect it to be parsed, or dissected, or taught to learners!!

What "a stream of consciousness" is, are the utterance of the random thoughts that come into your head about something....e.g. dogs.

At that word you might think "Oh, no dog in the world can beat my own Max, and I learnt so much about dogs from him. I even learnt about humans from him. Especially when that silly woman next door started screaming just because he wandered into her garden " in other words, your thoughts about dogs in general are all centred around your own pet: but that IS exactly stream of consciousness that comes into your mind when someone asks you, off the cuff, to talk about the subject of "dogs." Do you see what I mean?

No. I wouldn't look for anyone else, or change sites - he wasn't talking as a "teacher" but as a human; that's all. No one thinks in strict grammatical sentences and paragraphs!



Atatürk
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 6:00:57 PM

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I see.
Thanks a lot for the clarification.

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Atatürk
Posted: Sunday, September 8, 2019 6:09:51 PM

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Romany, why have you used "is, are" in the following?

What "a stream of consciousness" is, are the utterance of the random thoughts that come into your head about something....e.g. dogs.

Is it a typo or a specific structure?



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Romany
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 5:30:41 AM
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Ahhh - I wondered whether you'd question that.

To tell the truth, I hesitated about leaving it in. The MAIN reason is because two "is"s next to each other sounds ok in speech, but looks like a typing error in written language!

But:....."a stream of consciousness" is a thing, singular. "I tapped in to my own stream of consciousness".

But that "thing" (the s.o.c.) is composed of many different and numerous other things: snatches of memory, private experiences, learned behaviour, fragments of incomplete thoughts...i.e. plural.

"This IS my stream of consciousnous; here ARE the things it's telling me."

Do you get my drift?
Atatürk
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:47:32 AM

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Quote:
"This IS my stream of consciousnous; here ARE the things it's telling me."


That's understandable, but in the original sentence you used the singular "utterance" , but in the above you used the plural "things," so the use of the plural "are" is justified. That was actually causing me concern!

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Romany
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 12:18:16 PM
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Yeah, well perhaps that was my own stream of consciousness going its merry way?
Atatürk
Posted: Monday, September 9, 2019 12:28:06 PM

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I love your stream of consciousness. Boo hoo!

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