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BobShilling
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 8:09:13 AM
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A Catholic junior school in Nashville has removed the Harry Potter books from its library, saying they include “actual curses and spells, which when read by a human being risk conjuring evil spirits".

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/sep/02/harry-potter-books-removed-from-catholic-school-on-exorcists-advice

The mind boggles.
Lotje1000
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 8:30:27 AM

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I must be a muggle then, because no amount of shouting "Accio remote" has saved me from getting up from my couch.
RSoul
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 8:48:30 AM

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I've never read any Harry Potter. Don't religious schools regularly remove books from libraries for ridiculous reasons though? Why is this news?

I recall a story (possibly apocryphal) about a school in the US (or possibly Iran) that removed C.S. Lewis's 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe' from its libraries as it had the word 'witch' in the title.

Seemingly totally oblivious to the fact that the book is actually a thinly disguised Christian allegory. Although that would explain why it was removed from libraries in Iran.

Religious people doing stupid stuff.


And so it goes ...
BobShilling
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:14:13 AM
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RSoul wrote:
Don't religious schools regularly remove books from libraries for ridiculous reasons though? Why is this news?


Reports of such things have slipped below my radar recently. Looking around for some escape from the insanities of Johnson and Trump, and disasters all over the world, I just happened to spot that article. I had forgotten how brain-challenged some religious people are. It is impossible to find reliable figures - there are so many different surveys around - but it seems likely that at least 20% of Americans believe that God created everything in six 24-hour days less than ten thousand years ago.

Brick wall
RSoul
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 9:44:56 AM

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BobShilling wrote:
RSoul wrote:
Don't religious schools regularly remove books from libraries for ridiculous reasons though? Why is this news?


Reports of such things have slipped below my radar recently. Looking around for some escape from the insanities of Johnson and Trump, and disasters all over the world, I just happened to spot that article. I had forgotten how brain-challenged some religious people are. It is impossible to find reliable figures - there are so many different surveys around - but it seems likely that at least 20% of Americans believe that God created everything in six 24-hour days less than ten thousand years ago.

Brick wall


I'm guessing it's the religious Kool Aid. It isn't just the US though. Religious obscurantism is on the rise throughout the world. Western governments seem to be encouraging it even in their own countries.

I just don't get it.

Maybe it's just me.

FounDit
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I think it is part of our nature. I wrote this back in April under:

http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst190680_I-count-religion-but-a-childish-toy--and-hold-there-is-no-sin-but-ignorance-.aspx

There is an on-going effort today to eliminate religion as much as possible from the public arena. I think this is a foolish and futile effort. There have been religions for as long as there have been humans, and no doubt there will always be those who choose to believe. It seems to be a natural instinct within us to want to believe in something that, or someone who, is a higher power. That may be a result of our dependency on others from our infancy, or, from a believer’s point of view, sourced from a spirit/soul within us.

Regardless of the source, it has always been with us, and it looks as if it always will be. Therefore, seeking an end to it is a Sisyphean task. But not only is it an impossible task, but is probably rather foolish task as well, since a properly embraced religious belief can bring out the best in humans. Granted, we haven’t always permitted ourselves to do such, even when embracing religions based on love, but that doesn’t mean we should give up on trying.

The best religions encourage treatment of our fellow humans do be done with respect and consideration, asking us to treat one another as we would like to be treated. This forms the foundation of a moral code that contributes to the success and well-being of all in a society.

The best religions also permit others to choose not to believe if they so wish, not demanding obedience or encouraging either shunning or death for a desire to be different. The best religions also keep religion separate from ruling power, especially since power always corrupts. Even religions themselves become corrupt when permitted to have too much power, as history has shown us.

So any religion that seeks to punish, condemn, or is a threat to life and liberty of others is not a religion that we should embrace, or is worthy of being called a religion of any value. Such a religion violates the very foundational reason for a belief in a Being who is the source of all life. It doesn’t make sense to say God is great, powerful, and loving, and at the same time say such a God is happy with his children butchering one another over belief system details, but we do see that today. So the choice becomes much more clear for those who want to believe, who want to follow a religion and the Being at the center of that religion.

If we are going to have religions, and we are, then the only ones worth having are those that build up individuals and societies through respect and consideration, rather than hatred and killing. Any member of a religion that advocates for the latter should be found repulsive to all other members, and that should be loudly condemned by all the right-thinking people in that religion.

RSoul
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If we are going to have religions, and we are, then the only ones worth having are those that build up individuals and societies through respect and consideration, rather than hatred and killing. Any member of a religion that advocates for the latter should be found repulsive to all other members, and that should be loudly condemned by all the right-thinking people in that religion.


I'm guessing you're a glass half full kind of bloke, right? I'm definitely glass half empty lol.

FounDit
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 2:45:01 PM

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RSoul wrote:

If we are going to have religions, and we are, then the only ones worth having are those that build up individuals and societies through respect and consideration, rather than hatred and killing. Any member of a religion that advocates for the latter should be found repulsive to all other members, and that should be loudly condemned by all the right-thinking people in that religion.


I'm guessing you're a glass half full kind of bloke, right?
I try to be.

I'm definitely glass half empty lol.

We'll have to work on that...lol.

RSoul
Posted: Monday, September 2, 2019 2:49:52 PM

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FounDit wrote:


[/color]I'm definitely glass half empty lol.

We'll have to work on that...lol.

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I'll never be optimistic about organised religion. It isn't possible lol.
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 2:05:23 PM

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I was looking up something for another thread and accidentally came across this link that fits the digression here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/atheists-countries-list-six-world-most-convinced-a6946291.html

Seems to me there was a discussion about the durability of religion in another thread with Epi. I'm not so sure that in a hundred years or so there will still be religion entrenched as it is in some countries today - if we haven't melted or nuked ourselves to death by then. Just because something has always been, does not mean it can't change.

There is the desire and push by lawmakers to make laws that control everybody according to the religion of the lawmaker. Church and state should always be separated. School libraries are the state. Books should be removed only for such things as porn etc or hatred. And children do not need to be protected from everything - the curses topic would be a great time for a discussion. By school age they know witches, goblins and the Easter Bunny are make believe. The risk of conjuring evil spirits is a superstition, not religious reasoning. But then religion really is a kind of superstition.

It has been decades since I took World Religions at uni but it seems to me the premise is always something similar to the golden rule when it comes to how to treat others. It is all the superstitions, rules made for secular reasons, the pageantry, and the distortions by humans that 'my religion is the only true one', that cause the violence, religious war, and horror.

And of course there are those who perpetrate horrendous crimes in the name of religion when it is really land and power they want, or racism is a cause.


As my son once said to me, "The world would be a wonderful place if it weren't for the humans".
BobShilling
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 2:39:10 PM
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As far as I am concerned, people are free to believe what they want, as long as they don't harm others. I am, however, puzzled by the fact that there are still in the world some otherwise intelligent people who believe in the irrational tosh claimed as divinely proclaimed truth.
RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 3:02:54 PM

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Organised religions are control systems; nothing more, nothing less. A bit like National Socialism, but without Hugo Boss designed uniforms.

Oh crap .... I think I've invoked Godwin already.

Sorry.
FounDit
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 3:13:49 PM

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RSoul wrote:
Organised religions are control systems; nothing more, nothing less. A bit like National Socialism, but without Hugo Boss designed uniforms.

Oh crap .... I think I've invoked Godwin already.

Sorry.


It was bound to happen..*L*
RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 3:18:40 PM

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FounDit wrote:
It was bound to happen..*L*


Yeah, I know, but I should have waited a bit.
BobShilling
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 3:25:54 PM
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For those members who haven't heard of it: Godwin's Law.
RSoul
Posted: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 3:34:16 PM

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Reductio ad Hitlerum

Oh, this so has to be phrase of the day.
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