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Epiphileon
Posted: Sunday, April 7, 2019 6:35:10 AM

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This stuff is intense. Did someone resurrect some Vikings?
Heilung | LIFA - Fylgija Ear / Futhorck LIVE
Heilung | LIFA - Hamrer Hippyer
Some of the lyrics from Fylgija Ear

What am I supposed to do
If I want to talk about peace and understanding
But you only understand the language of the sword
What if I want to make you understand
That the path you chose leads to downfall
But you only understand the language of the sword
What if I want to tell you to leave me and my beloved ones in peace
But you only understand the language of the sword
I let the blade do the talking
So my tongue shall become iron
And my words the mighty roar of war
Revealing my divine anger´s arrow shall strike

Then there are the Resurrected Mongels
The HU - Wolf Totem

Wolf Totem (The Wolf's Totem)
Versions: #1#2
The lion is in a bloody battle to the death
The tiger overcomes the leopard in a match
The elephant thrashes the leopard in a contest
Man intensely struggles with a leopard to contend

We, the lions slaughter the leopards in a match
The tiger beats the leopard in a contest
The elephant trounces the leopard in a fight
Man strenuously strains with a leopard in contention

An instigator, the jealousy of a snake it could be
And Khan Garuda leaps up above into the air
A growl, the jealousy of a tiger it could be
The blue wolf comes too from far away

Hu - hu - hu - hu...
Hu - hu - hu - hu...

Provoked, the snow leopard competes with it's rivals

Ten thunderbolts strike at the same time
A hundred hearts energized in the thundering roar
Simultaneously a thousand colliding thunderbolts
And too, ten thousand lightning strikes in the heavens

Hu - hu - hu - hu...
Hu - hu - hu - hu...

This deluge is the leopard battling in a deadly fight
The surges of the leopard scuffling in competion
The awesome leopard swats, blows to overthrow
The glistening leopard slashes in the scramble

Hu - hu - hu - hu...
Hu - hu - hu - hu...

With the speed of the falcon advancing
The wolf's courage at times flaring up
The strength of horses hooves, their paces pounding
The mark of Genghis Khan, an overwhelming impression


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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 12:39:20 PM

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Impressive videos - can't say their voices are generally musical but very effective!


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Epiphileon
Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2019 4:03:09 AM

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Yeah Drag0 I was intrigued by the visceral response they provoked, compelling was another word I thought of to describe the music.

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Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:02:41 AM

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Wow, thanks, Epi!

I know next to nothing about the theory of music, but it seems to me that modern heavy metal continues on exactly this same line, only offers a sound that is slightly more "rich" in my view by using a broader range of instruments (guitars, in particular). But it's very interesting that someone decided to make a step back and try to take it from the root. Maybe they'll give birth to some alternative version of "heavy metal".

My elder son may like it. What language do the guys sing?
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:30:15 AM

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Heilung has members from Denmark, Norway, and Germany. In the first piece they sang at lest in old German and old Norse or Icelandic.


In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:43:56 AM

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Thanks, JJ!

Amazing people in Northern Europe still know and can even use those older versions of the language(s).

In Russia Old Slavic once was a compulsory subject in classic schools (known as "grammar schools"), but that's not the case anymore. Now if we can understand anything of Old Slavic then that's due to Ukrainian and southern Russian dialects that are relatively closer to "roots" compared to modern standard Russian as taught in schools.
thar
Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 8:04:43 AM

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Old Icelandic is pretty much modern Icelandic!


Ástin á sér stað - Sverrir Bergmann, Friðrik Dór og Albatross - Þjóðhátíð 2016


and whatever makes you feel is good music!


In Iceland there is a traditional form of chant-singing poems and eddas - rímur.
But the Icelandic music scene is so small, you end up with everyone collaborating with everyone else eventually - so you get things like a mixture of rap and rímur together. People sometimes think they are inventing new music to express themselves - but most has been done before in some way or another! It is a primal urge, to create music and tell your story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDaSIoSXGsI




Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 8:33:09 AM

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Thanks, Thar!

I like this song very much. What's this thing that they set on fire? Is this some kind of a traditional feast?
thar
Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 9:23:43 AM

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It is a festival held on Heimaey, off Iceland.

Quote:
Þjóðhátíð was first held in 1874 when islanders were prevented by bad weather from attending the celebration on the Icelandic mainland of the millennium of Icelandic settlement. The festival has grown to become the largest multiday festival in Iceland, and one of the largest annual cultural events in the country.



It has a particular subtext of survival and persistence, holding it there.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghl33n26d44

edit - in case people don't realise the significance -
these islands are surrounded by steep cliffs, and harbours are practically non-existent, so saving the inlet on Heimaey and stopping it from being blocked off saved the island and kept it habitable -




but mostly just a lot of fun . An institution - this song is a parody of making it there (wait a minute for the initial chat to pass - from then on it is pretty obvious what the song is about!)

Heimaey - Ég fer á Þjóðhátíð - I am going to the national festival



Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 9:56:31 AM

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Thanks! I love the tradition Dancing

In Russia we have this so called Butter Week, which is a pre-Christian feast meant to celebrate the beginning of Spring, during which people eat crapes and burn effigies of Winter.

Local authorities, in the city of Moscow at least, have been trying to sabotage it for a couple of these last years, citing risks of fires and even crap like crapes being potentially harmful for children's health so they can't allow them to be consumed in schools... But I think it's okay - if the feast has managed to survive for at least 1000+ years I guess it'll be okay.

The only real risk anyway is of course not to allow the winter bitch to prevail through dealings within top political institutions, but things seem to gradually get straightened at that level, too. Or am I an irremediable optimist, I don;t know. Dancing
thar
Posted: Monday, April 15, 2019 12:14:14 PM

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This festival isn't ancient in any way, it is just one that has lasted and kept itself current.

And lots of fire!


old video intercut with 2013 festival


of course having lots of people go to a quiet island for a festival sponsored by a lager company does have its downside!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6W2PH6hX0I Whistle
thar
Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2019 4:42:57 PM

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A bit of modern-ancient homage in the Norwegian Eurovision entry!

Spirit in the sky

(hold through the twee and wait for the chorus)
Epiphileon
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 4:28:11 AM

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thar wrote:
A bit of modern-ancient homage in the Norwegian Eurovision entry!

Spirit in the sky

I got a "Video not available in your country" message.

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thar
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 4:36:29 AM

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Ah, obviously Eurovision is a closely-guarded secret - only Europeans (in the broadest sense, Israel, Azerbaijan) and Australia are allowed into the inner sanctum.


Try this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JirWkcgCc4
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 4:46:19 AM

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thar wrote:
A bit of modern-ancient homage in the Norwegian Eurovision entry!

Spirit in the sky

(hold through the twee and wait for the chorus)


WOW, I love these guys so much better than places 1, 2 , 3 (didn't check the rest)! Maybe I would have watched the contest if I knew anybody like these people could worm their way in.

I've always been buffled by the Eurovision assessment criteria. E.g. this year Lazarev of Russia sounded just as bad as the guy who won the Prize, so they could as well have swapped them around.
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 4:54:55 AM

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Epiphileon wrote:
thar wrote:
A bit of modern-ancient homage in the Norwegian Eurovision entry!

Spirit in the sky

I got a "Video not available in your country" message.


Are you in the US?

That's local Democrats trying to protect you from Nordic influences. Angel
thar
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 5:01:32 AM

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I saw a couple of clips in passing - I admire Slovenia (I think?) for sending in a ballad in Slovene with absolutely zero staging - just letting the song speak for itself - without anybody else understanding a word of it. Kudos to them for being true to themselves.

Iceland didn't do well but the public did have the guts to chose the outsider from a terrible crop of twee ballads and generic rap that were the other Icelandic nominations. Had some fun with the concept. They are an art collective, it is about anti-capitalism and the rise of right wing populism / fascism in Europe recently. Somehow I don't think the Eurovision audiences were ready for political punk S&M performance art!

I always admire the countries that stay with the song in their original language, rather than sell out and do it in English. So this Norwegian entry starts out unpromising.

edit
But then they take it a step further - the third guy is a Sámi rapper as well as doing this traditional singing.

Dancing Dancing

edit
The Sámi culture is trans-national - I challenge Russia to include some joik in their next entry. Or something else - lots to choose from!
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 5:20:11 AM

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In Russia there has not been national selection since 2013. Two Russian major mainstream TV channels - members of the EBU - just appoint who is going to represent Russia. Even when there was a theoretically open national selection it didn't seem any more trustworthy.

One of the two chennels mentioned - the "Channel One" - was recently caught in outright fraud (manipulation with SMS votes) and had to cancel the results of one of its national song contests (unrelated to Eurovision).

So when you see those "Russian" representatives don't think they represent Russia. They don't represent anybody except management of the Russia media industry, and that's a thing in itself.
thar
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 5:35:20 AM

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That's sad, because the whole thing should just be a silly fun event where people get to choose, and nobody should take it too seriously!

The result is actually unimportant because people vote by cultural taste (reasonable), linguistic family (understandable) and some by political prejudices (bang out of order Shame on you ).
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 9:38:29 AM

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There's always been a bit of 'politicking' in it - from rumours of the Scandinavian judges 'pooling' their votes to let AbbA win and the French and English judges seeming to give ridiculously low votes to England and France.

It always seemed to me that the 'popular vote' always produced a bunch of bland 'blah' music except for the occasional flash of brilliance.

The funniest thing I remember is the 1994 show - where the act the audience roared for was the one put on in the interval while the votes were being counted.

The winners of the contest were PAUL HARRINGTON & CHARLIE McGETTIGAN performing "ROCK 'N' ROLL KIDS" - ever heard of them since?
The interval "fill-in act" was Riverdance with Michael Flatley and Susan Butler. Now they're famous!


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 10:20:50 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:

The funniest thing I remember is the 1994 show - where the act the audience roared for was the one put on in the interval while the votes were being counted.



Dancing Dancing
Yeah, this is really funny! Something that speaks for itself. Didn't they even take part in the contest?
thar
Posted: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:38:57 AM

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Beats Madonna!

Interval act

Yes, it sounds a bit like Clannad.




Flatley danced in tap shoes, but from what I can see she started dancing traditional soft and then went en pointe in tap shoes!
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 4:16:53 AM

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Yes, absolutely fantastic! Even on YouTube, I imagine what a bomb it was for those who were there.
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