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DavidLearn
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 12:32:42 PM

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Hi teachers,
Amy and Lee both live in Beijing. Now Lee is talking to her.
Lee: It costs less than a newspaper to hire a bike for the day. It's definitely the cheapest way to travel.


Which one is more natural?
a)To what does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the say?
To buy a newspaper.

b) In Lee's view, what's more expensive than to rent a bike for the day?
To buy a newspaper.

Does this one make sense or I have twisted too much the question?
c) What does Lee think is the most inexpensive manner for travelling?
To hire a bike.

Thanks.



FounDit
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:00:40 PM

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DavidLearn wrote:
Hi teachers,
Amy and Lee both live in Beijing. Now Lee is talking to her.
Lee: It costs less than a newspaper to hire a bike for the day. It's definitely the cheapest way to travel.


Which one is more natural?
a)To what does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the say?
To buy a newspaper. The most natural would be: "buying a newspaper."

b) In Lee's view, what's more expensive than renting a bike for the day?
To buy a newspaper. The most natural would again be: "buying a newspaper."

Does this one make sense or I have twisted too much the question?
c) What does Lee think is the most inexpensive manner for travelling?
To hire a bike. The most natural would be: "Renting a bike" or, "traveling by bike."

Thanks.





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DavidLearn
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:51:47 PM

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FounDit wrote:
Which one is more natural?
a)To what does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the say?
To buy a newspaper. The most natural would be: "buying a newspaper."

Is it "buying" because the gerund is acting as the subject of the sentence?

FounDit wrote:
b) In Lee's view, what's more expensive than renting a bike for the day?
To buy a newspaper. The most natural would again be: "buying a newspaper."

Sorry. I don't get why "renting" is better than "to rent".

Does this one make sense or I have twisted too much the question?
c) What does Lee think is the most inexpensive manner for travelling?
To hire a bike.
FounDit wrote:
The most natural would be: "Renting a bike" or, "traveling by bike."

For the same reason as letter "a"?

David.
thar
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 2:26:32 PM

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Yes. The question is 'what?'.
What is more expensive?
Buying a newspaper is more expensive.


You construct any question based on what the answer would be, but the infinitive phrase is too cumbersome.
What is it that it is more expensive to do?
It is more expensive to buy a newspaper.
That is just not a natural construction.
DavidLearn
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 3:37:30 PM

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thar wrote:
Yes. The question is 'what?'.
What is more expensive?
Buying a newspaper is more expensive.

Subject. Got that.

thar wrote:
You construct any question based on what the answer would be, but the infinitive phrase is too cumbersome.
What is it that it is more expensive to do?
It is more expensive to buy a newspaper.
That is just not a natural construction.

Perfect example. Understood, thar.

David.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:48:11 PM

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FounDit wrote:
DavidLearn wrote:
Hi teachers,
Amy and Lee both live in Beijing. Now Lee is talking to her.
Lee: It costs less than a newspaper to hire a bike for the day. It's definitely the cheapest way to travel.


Which one is more natural?
a)To what does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the say?
To buy a newspaper. The most natural would be: "buying a newspaper."

b) In Lee's view, what's more expensive than renting a bike for the day?
To buy a newspaper. The most natural would again be: "buying a newspaper."

Does this one make sense or I have twisted too much the question?
c) What does Lee think is the most inexpensive manner for travelling?
To hire a bike. The most natural would be: "Renting a bike" or, "traveling by bike."

Thanks.





In AmE renting a bike is appropriate but in BrE hire or hiring is often used.
Hire
Quote:
[
WITH OBJECT]
1British Obtain the temporary use of (something) for an agreed payment.
‘we flew to San Diego, hired a car, and headed for Las Vegas’


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/hire

Although the example talks of cars bike hire is also possible.

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DavidLearn
Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:25:29 PM

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Sarrriesfan wrote:
In AmE renting a bike is appropriate but in BrE hire or hiring is often used.
Hire [WITH OBJECT]
1British Obtain the temporary use of (something) for an agreed payment.
‘we flew to San Diego, hired a car, and headed for Las Vegas’


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/hire

Although the example talks of cars bike hire is also possible.[/quote]

Thanks for your interest and explanations, Sarrriesfan.

David.
pjharvey
Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:13:34 AM
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DavidLearn wrote:
Amy and Lee both live in Beijing. Now Lee is talking to her.


As an aside, I'd add that you should write "Now Lee is talking to Amy" (not "to her"), because the subject of the previous sentence is "Amy and Lee", not Amy alone.
DavidLearn
Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:35:03 AM

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pjharvey wrote:
DavidLearn wrote:
Amy and Lee both live in Beijing. Now Lee is talking to her.


As an aside, I'd add that you should write "Now Lee is talking to Amy" (not "to her"), because the subject of the previous sentence is "Amy and Lee", not Amy alone.

I thought it was understood. But thanks for your correction, pjharvey. I appreciate it. Angel

David.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 6:45:19 AM

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Hi again,
Is letter "b" as natural as letter "a"? I don't know why, to me, "b" sounds better.

a) In Lee's view, what's more expensive than renting a bike for the day?
Buying a newspaper.

b) What does Lee say is more expensive than renting a bike for the day?
Buying a newspaper.

David.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 7:45:04 AM

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Hi there,

Question:
To what does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the day?
Buying a newspaper.

To me, there's something missing where the ellipsis is in the answer. Could it be "to"?
Long answer:
He compares the cost of renting a bike for the day (....) buying a newspaper.

David.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:08:52 AM

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Hi David.

Concerning the last question - yes.
I would 'naturally' answer "What does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the day to?" with the preposition phrase (sentence substitute) "To buying a paper."
You compare something to something else (usually when you are noting the difference), or you compare something with something else (usually when noting similarities).

Concerning the earlier question, I think both are good. He says what is in his view . . .
The first is a bit more 'formal' or 'academic' maybe, but not VERY different.
Personally, I would use "consider" - but I'm sure that that is influenced by my recent studies, in which 'consider' is a fairly common word.


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DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:32:18 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Hi David.

Concerning the last question - yes.
I would 'naturally' answer "What does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the day to?" with the preposition phrase (sentence substitute) "To buying a paper."
You compare something to something else (usually when you are noting the difference), or you compare something with something else (usually when noting similarities).

Concerning the earlier question, I think both are good. He says what is in his view . . .
The first is a bit more 'formal' or 'academic' maybe, but not VERY different.
Personally, I would use "consider" - but I'm sure that that is influenced by my recent studies, in which 'consider' is a fairly common word.


Hi Drag0n,
Am I right in my assumptions?
a) To what does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the day? (Very formal English)
b) What does Lee compare the cost of renting a bike for the day to?
To buying a newspaper.
The "to" in the answer is a preposition and not part of the infinitive. Like all prepositions it can take a gerund object.

David.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:58:58 AM

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Yes - "common-as-muck" English puts prepositions (in this sort of sentence) at the end.
Formal English puts them at the beginning.
To what does he compare renting a bike?
What does he compare renting a bike to?


*********
Yes - "to" is the head-word of the preposition phrase, with "buying" (well, the phrase 'buying a newspaper' really) as its object.

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DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:29:58 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Yes - "common-as-muck" English puts prepositions (in this sort of sentence) at the end.
Formal English puts them at the beginning.
To what does he compare renting a bike?
What does he compare renting a bike to?


*********
Yes - "to" is the head-word of the preposition phrase, with "buying" (well, the phrase 'buying a newspaper' really) as its object.


Got that, Drag0n. I appreciate your help.
I didn't know the expression "common-as-muck" and neither that "Common As Muck" is an English comedy drama serial made by the BBC about the lives of a crew of binmen. Thanks.

David.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:38:13 AM

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Hi again,
What does Lee say is more expensive than renting a bike for the day?
I believe that the one below is the long answer and the bold part the shortest one; right?
(He says that) buying a newspaper (is more expensive than renting a bike for the day).

David.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:47:22 AM

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Yes - the full sentence is very long.
You might get "He says 'Buying a newspaper'." as an answer, too.


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DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:59:07 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Yes - the full sentence is very long.
You might get "He says 'Buying a newspaper'." as an answer, too.

Another possibility to keep in my mind, Drag0n.

David.
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