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A cooperator
Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:03:42 AM

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Hi Everyone!
I feel as "account" is used here in the two examples below as "calculate".

Your service provider may account for data usage differently.
Carrier data accounting may differ from your device.

However, I had looked the word "account" up in a dictionary, but I didn't find a definition as "calculate". I only found the followings:
1. To explain or do give a reason for sth
2. To supply the amount that is mentioned


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thar
Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:27:55 AM

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The two meanings, of keeping a record and counting, are linked together deep in linguistic history.


eg
count
recount
account

to count is notice how many there are of something
to recount is to tell a story
an account is when you tell someone what happened.
an accountant deals with money
accounting is the action of recording what happens to the money

to tell is to relate a story
a bank teller deals with the money (ATM - automated teller machine)


To account for something is to know how many you have, or what happened to them.

Quote:
account for
phrasal verb of account
1.
give a satisfactory record of (something, typically money, that one is responsible for).
"I had to account for every penny I spent"
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2019 12:08:57 PM

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thar wrote:
The two meanings, of keeping a record and counting, are linked together deep in linguistic history.


eg
count
recount
account

to count is notice how many there are of something
to recount is to tell a story
an account is when you tell someone what happened.
an accountant deals with money
accounting is the action of recording what happens to the money


Quote:
account for
phrasal verb of account
1.
give a satisfactory record of (something, typically money, that one is responsible for).
"I had to account for every penny I spent"


Thanks a lot,
Then "account for" in my examples below doesn't have the meaning of "explain or give a reason for something, nor to supply the amount that is mentiond".
However, "account for" has the meaning "count" /"calculate". So, they can replace "account for".
Your service provider may account for/calculate/count data usage differently.
Carrier data accounting/calculating/counting may differ from your device.

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Ana Gonzales
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yes
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 2:28:10 AM

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You are right: "account for" in my examples below doesn't have the meaning of "explain or give a reason for something", nor "to supply the amount that is mentioned".

As thar shows from the dictionary, "account for" means:
"give a satisfactory record of (something, typically money, that one is responsible for)."

Your service provider may account for/record data usage differently.
Carrier data accounting/recording may differ from your device.


For example, your phone may show that it has recorded 5.5MB so far this month, but your service provider may have a record of 6.1MB used.

The phone and the provider tell you how many MB you have - and they may say different things.

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A cooperator
Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:25:06 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
You are right: "account for" in my examples below doesn't have the meaning of "explain or give a reason for something", nor "to supply the amount that is mentioned".

As thar shows from the dictionary, "account for" means:
"give a satisfactory record of (something, typically money, that one is responsible for)."

Your service provider may account for/record data usage differently.
Carrier data accounting/recording may differ from your device.


For example, your phone may show that it has recorded 5.5MB so far this month, but your service provider may have a record of 6.1MB used.

The phone and the provider tell you how many MB you have - and they may say different things.



Thank you all of you.
I've come across the statement below in which I am only concerned about the verb 'count' which is used as an intransitive. Does it mean here 'to be important or valuable' or 'to be accepted' since in my dictionary, only these two senses are used intransitively for 'count'?
count:
1. (T) to say numbers one after another in order.
2. (T) to calculate the total number or amount of sth
3. (I) to be important or valuable
4. (I) to be accepted
5. (T) to consider to be
6. (T) to include sb/sth
Quote:
What had you done yesterday before I saw you?
This is making the action perfect and complete -ie what tasks had you completed before the time that I saw you.
The time frame is constrained by 'yesterday' ie tasks completed before yesterday don't count.




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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:14:46 AM

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Of those two intransitive definitions, I would choose "to be accepted".
However, that is not an exact synonym. There are four intransitive definitions in the Collins Dictionary and six (plus several phrasal verbs using 'count') in the Random House Kernerman Webster's Dictionary in TFD.

The nearest, in my opinion, is "to include" used intransitively - which acts like the passive "to be included".

Tasks completed before yesterday don't count.
We don't count tasks completed before yesterday.
That is, not counting tasks completed before yesterday.
Tasks completed before yesterday are not included.



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