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Koh Elaine
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 10:51:07 AM
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Malaysian government vessels should cease provocative violations of Singapore sovereignty and return to the status quo ante before Oct 25, MFA said.

What does the bold part mean?

Thanks.
palapaguy
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Koh Elaine wrote:
Malaysian government vessels should cease provocative violations of Singapore sovereignty and return to the status quo ante before Oct 25, MFA said.

What does the bold part mean?

Thanks.


It means "the way things were before."

https://www.google.com/search?q=status+quo+ante&oq=status&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j69i60l3j0.10496j0j4&client=ubuntu&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Koh Elaine
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Thanks, palapaguy.
thar
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 11:43:23 AM

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They really shouldn't put it that way. The status quo is the way things are, and ante is before, but that makes it redundant so it doesn't sound good.
Romany
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 1:40:33 PM
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Or if they really want to put it in this strange manner they should know that the 'before'is therefore rendered redundant. Another instance of people using 'foreign' words whose meaning they don't actually know.
NKM
Posted: Friday, December 7, 2018 5:17:00 PM

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There's nothing wrong with "status quo ante", but "status quo ante before October 25" seems very strange. (One "before" is enough!)

ozok
Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:25:11 AM
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Quote:
There's nothing wrong with "status quo ante".




just sayin'
coag
Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:42:30 PM

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Here are a couple more problematic examples, which I found in COCA.
1) The mere possession of a nuclear weapon by Iran would instantly restore Jews to the status quo ante before Jewish sovereignty, to a condition in which their futures would depend primarily on the choices their enemies - and not Jews themselves - make.
2) The ideal scenario for Gulf Arabs may not be a U.S.-Iran diplomatic resolution, but the status quo ante of pre-Iraq war, when Iran was sufficiently contained and isolated.
3) Both Nepal and India agreed in June 1990 to return trade and transit matters to the status quo ante situation of March 1989.

What surprised me is this Webster example:
Scalia, that's the status quo ante from before that nomination.*
I would use a coma after "ante", in this example.
Scalia, that's the status quo ante, from before that nomination.

How would English teachers reformulate the sentence in the original post? I would go with:
Malaysian government vessels should cease provocative violations of Singapore sovereignty and return to the status that existed before Oct 25, MFA said.

*) Antonin Scalia (1936–2016) was an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
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