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hedy mmm
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2018 4:19:26 PM

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There is quite a bit of alarming information concerning Senator Peralta's death...please read!

New York Times reported 11/22/18: Queens, State Senator José Rafael Peralta was born on Nov. 10, 1971, in New York City, to parents who had emigrated from the Dominican Republic. He had been ill for at least two weeks, but had been reluctant to visit a doctor, according to Chris Sosa, his director of communications. After much prodding he finally went for an exam recently, and he had a follow-up scheduled for December.

“It was like pulling teeth to get him to talk about not feeling well,” Mr. Sosa said. “He just thought he was having symptoms related to getting the flu shot.

Mr. Peralta was at home with his family on Wednesday night when he became disoriented. He was taken to the hospital, where he died at 9:23 p.m., Mr. Sosa said. An autopsy is scheduled. (The NYTimes, ABC, etc., reported that it was a heart attack!....At 47 yrs old??)

Queens state Sen. Jose Peralta suffered sudden septic shock, his despondent widow told The NY Post Friday of the lawmaker’s tragic Thanksgiving Eve death. “All they said is that he was septic,” Evelyn Peralta said Friday afternoon, after meeting with officials with the city Medical Examiner’s office. “And that led to organ failure,” she said of her 47-year-old husband, the state Senate’s first Dominican-American member. “They need to do additional tests,” she said. “There is no final conclusion yet. They don’t know what caused the fatal blood infection,” she said. “His body was poisoning itself.” He is survived by his wife Evelyn, and sons; Myles, 13 & Mathew 21.

Senator Jose Peralta's autopsy showed it was septic shock, which is when bacteria invades the body. Exactly the ingredients you get in the Flu shot. This year's common quadrivalent flu shot contains the following ingredients:
Flu Strain A/(Michigan) (H1N1)
Flu Strain A/(Hong Kong) (H3N2)
Flu Strain B/(Brisbane)
Flu Strain B/(Phuket)
Formaldehyde
Aluminum Salts
Gelatin
Thimerosal

He was a dear friend, may he Rest In Peace
hedy


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RuthP
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:24:38 PM

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A bit more factual information is needed, because sepsis and septic shock have nothing to do with flu vaccination:

Septic shock occurs when the body's response to a serious infection, or sometimes to the curing of a serious infection goes awry. The normal functioning of organ systems: heart/cardiovascular, lung, liver, kidneys, gut (though less implicated in septic shock), keeps body functions in balance. Septic shock requires an infection, or in the case of gram-negative bacteria--which produce endotoxins, the death of the bacteria. Bacterial death releases the endotoxin, which causes the shock.

The flu vaccine cannot cause an infection.
Let me say that again:The flu vaccine cannot cause an infection. Therefore, the flu vaccine cannot cause septic shock.
The injectable vaccine is made from pieces of the virus, after it has been inactivated/killed. (OK, one may argue whether or not a virus is alive. If it is not a living organism, then "kill" doesn't work, thus "inactivate": make it not work.)

A flu virus has several layers.
Innermost, is a mess of RNA. This is what causes viral replication (the making of new viruses) inside the human cell. The RNA operates within normal cellular processes: when the cell copies its own RNA, for usual cellular activity, the viral RNA gets copied, too. That's simplified, because the RNA must also cause production of viral proteins, but the important part is viral RNA is what functions within (human) cellular processes to produce new viral particles (viruses). A virus cannot be a part of the biochemical reactions of replication without the machinery of a cell and only the RNA of the virus is a part of replication.
Outside the viral RNA, the virus has a coat of antigenic proteins called a "capsid". These are called "antigenic" because the (human or swine or bird, etc.) immune system can attach to them (through a complex process involving helper T-cells and B-cells) and cause the production of (are the genesis of--hence "antigenic") antibodies by the immune system, a "not-me" reaction which, with other complicated parts of the immune system involving killer T-cells and the inflammatory cascade fights off the flu infection.
On the outside of the virus is a lipid (fat) bilayer (two organized lipid layers) studded with spikes of proteins. Some of these proteins are involved in binding (attaching) the virus to the cell, allowing the RNA to be inserted into the cell. Others are thought to be involved in releasing the replicated (copied, new) viral particles from the cell.

To make the vaccine, one does grow virus, but that is not the end:
The virus is inactivated (killed, if you prefer) and broken into pieces. The pieces of the antigenic protein, the capsid are separated out and purified. This is the only part of the virus in the vaccine. There is no RNA to work with cell machinery. There are no outer proteins to attach to a human (or other) cell.

Therefore, the flu vaccine Can NOT cause an infection and Can NOT cause septic shock.

So what about that scary list of things in the flu vaccine? Take a closer look:
Formaldehyde: Inactivates possible viral or bacterial proteins which may be in the vaccine due to growing the virus in living cells. (Remember: you cannot grow a virus any other way.) Formaldehyde may be present in varying, bu low amounts. The highest amount is 0.02 mg per dose. Fun Fact: formaldehyde is necessary for your cells to work. You manufacture and dispose of your own formaldehyde constantly, all day, every day, to keep the level in your body at about 12 mg/liter of intracellular fluid. The mythical average female has about 20 L of intracellular fluid; the mythical average male about 25 L. This is five orders of magnitude higher than the injection. You get more in your steak, fish, milk, even fruits, vegetables, or grains. Fugedaboudit

Aluminum Salts: Increase the genesis of antibodies. The salts cause the body to react more vigorously to the vaccine. If you are terrified of aluminum/aluminium, ask for a vaccine without the aluminum adjuvent.

Gelatin: Stabilizes the components of the vaccine and provides some protection for the active ingredients from freezing or excessive heat. Jello, anyone? `Cause that's what gelatin is.

Thimerosal: Is in virtually none of the flu vaccine in the U.S. It is present only in multiple use vials, which are used primarily in low-income countries. It protects against bacteria and fungi which may get into a multiple use vial, because the vial must be entered multiple times to with draw the vaccine separately for each shot given. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury; it is not elemental mercury, which is what gave the mad hatter his problems. Those of us who are older may recognize thimerosal by its brand name: Merthiolate. Ethyl mercury is excreted from the body, not stored. If you are terrified of thimerosal, tell your provider you want your injection from a single-use vial. They may laugh. As I say, multiple use vials are the next thing to nonexistent in the U.S.

So, sepsis and septic shock have nothing to do with flu vaccination, except a flu vaccination may just protect you from flu infection and prevent flu-related sepsis and the risk of septic shock. But, that's another topic.
hedy mmm
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:06:04 PM

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RuthP wrote:
A bit more factual information is needed because sepsis and septic shock syndrome having nothing to do with the flu vaccine.


Please read carefully, for I did not say it did, however, If there is an infection lurking in the body, a flu shot can and will exacerbate the condition, he was sick for two weeks prior to seeing a doctor.

According to the Center for Disease Control “The following substances are found in flu vaccines; antibiotics, egg protein, human aborted fetal apparatus (dead human tissue), monosodium glutamate, and thimerosal (mercury).” In addition to these in potentially harmful substances, flu vaccines contain many other toxic or hazardous ingredients:

Thimerosal – contains mercury and is linked to autism and other brain injury. Side effects and danger are too numerous to mention. (PLEASE SEE Additional information at end of these ingredients)

Aluminum – a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease. Side effects and danger are too numerous to mention. Read about aluminum toxicity.

Formaldehyde – Symptoms of low-level exposure include runny nose, sore throat, cough, dermatitis, sleeping difficulties, headache, fatigue, breathing difficulties, sinus irritation, chest pain, frequent nausea, bronchitis, and decreased lung capacity. Signs of acute exposure include abdominal pain, anxiety, coma, convulsions, diarrhea, and respiratory problems such as bronchitis, pneumonia or pulmonary edema. Your reaction to the flu vaccine is probably from formaldehyde!

Phenol (carbolic acid) – For reasons why you want to call a poison control center upon ingestion of this poison.

Polysorbate 80 – Allergic reaction like sneezing, coughing, swelling, wheezing, shortness of breath, skin rashes, itching and pain: gastrointestinal problems like nausea, vomiting, diarrhea; heart and circulatory problems like abnormal heart rhythm, heart attack, stroke; fertility problems like infertility in women; tumor and cancer growth

Ethylene glycol (antifreeze) – can cause too much calcium in the blood which can lead to kidney stones and kidney insufficiency, metabolized into glycolic acid and can cause profound acidosis in the body

Betapropiolactone – a disinfectant

Nonoxynol – used to kill or stop growth of STDs, but can cause allergic reactions in 3-5 percent of the population

Octoxinol 9 – a vaginal spermicide that can cause chills, confusion, dizziness, fever; lightheadedness, muscle aches, sunburn-like skin rash that is followed by peeling of the skin

Neomycin, polymyxin, gentamycin – antibiotics

Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, a world-leading immunogeneticist, has extensively studied the effects of the flu vaccine on neurological health. The results of his research indicate that an individual has a 10-time greater chance of getting Alzheimer's disease after receiving five flu shots in the course of their life compared to individuals who have had zero to one shot in their lifetime. Flu vaccines are directly linked to about a dozen cases of paralysis and brain damage each year. Many researchers believe these flue vaccine cocktails produce delayed reactions and long-term health consequences.

Thimerosal - Politicians have used the thimerosal issue for political gain. On August 26, 2004, Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, banned thimerosal-containing influenza vaccines from his state; others soon followed his lead.

Despite several years of reassuring studies, the thimerosal controversy continues to be emotionally charged. Physicians, scientists, government policy advisors, and child advocates who have publicly stated that vaccines don't cause neurologic problems or autism have been harassed, threatened, and vilified, receiving hate mail and occasionally death threats. The CDC, in response to planned protests at its gates, recently beefed up security and instructed personnel about how to respond if physically attacked.

During the next few years, thimerosal will probably be removed from influenza vaccines, and the court cases will probably settle down. But the thimerosal controversy should stand as a cautionary tale of how not to communicate theoretical risks to the public; otherwise, the lesson inherent in the collateral damage caused by its precipitous removal will remain unlearned.




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mactoria
Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:21:56 PM
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First, I'm sorry for the family of State Senator Peralta for the loss of their husband, father, sibling, etc. It's never easy to lose a loved one at such a young age, especially from a baffling illness. His death, after refusing to seek medical treatment though he felt ill, is both sad and an alert to all of us that we shouldn't ignore symptoms, particularly if they hang of for several days. You never know what may be wrong with you, so seeking medical care soon and dealing with your symptoms head-on really is the best thing to do. Not blaming victim here, but his death can be useful to so many people who try to shrug off symptoms because they're too busy, hate doctors, etc.

Second, kudos to RuthP for her fact-based and direct description of what is and isn't true about flu vaccines, Thimerosal, etc. Thimerosal hasn't been in US flu (or other) vaccines for years because of concerns, most of which were inaccurate, but vaccine companies removed it just to reassure people. Based on my work in the developmental disability field (autism is a developmental disability), THERE IS NO CONNECTION between Thimerosal and autism. Per a CDC 2015 report, Thimerosal hasn't been in vaccines in the US for many years, and despite this rates of diagnoses of autism have inclined (I have some educated theories as to this, but that's another day's topic). THERE IS NO CONNECTION either between any vaccines and autism (this from the CDC, THE MIND Institute, and numerous other renowned medical and developmental research entities). The flu vaccine is a 'dead virus' vaccine. 'Live virus' vaccines CAN present a problem for those with immune system issues (ie people like me with an organ transplant can't take the live-virus shingles or Hepatitis vaccines because our low immunity may allow the 'live virus' constituent cells to grow.... but an immuno-compromised baby isn't going to get autism from a hepatitis vaccine, he'd get a case of hepatitis. Credible doctors know what to advise their patients on which vaccines to take). Every year a few really unfortunate people will have unexpected negative reactions from vaccines (flu, MMR, DTAP, Hep, etc), with these reactions going from minor reactions like rashes to devastating like febrile brain damage (I dealt once in 30 yrs with the US agency that provides financial settlements to those with provably damaging vaccine reactions).

RE this Fudenberg: his medical license was revoked in 1995 for cause. The CDC (and numerous other medical research entities and individuals who are credible) has specifically addressed in print that THERE IS NO CONNECTION between flu vaccines and the likelihood of people developing Alzheimers Disease. Have to admit this was one wild-hare theory I hadn't heard of, so I researched it. This is a another one of the conspiracy theories by anti-vaxxers. Fudenberg (since he's not a licensed medical doctor anymore, don't see reason to call him "Dr") is not a credible source for any facts about vaccines, and so I wouldn't put any credibility in his assertions on a vaccination-Alzheimer connection.

Hopefully for Peralta's family, friends, and constituents' sakes, further examination of his autopsy and the weeks leading up to his death will result in an answer as to how he contracted a septic infection e.g. did he have a cut/gash that became infected, did he have an internal infection that became septic from lack of antibiotics, did he unknowingly have a weakened immune system that allowed something minor became fatal? Using his death as a basis for spreading inaccurate scare stories about flu vaccines -- in the middle of flu season --- is not just wrong, it's potentially dangerous if readers use it to decide to not get a flu shot. American adults already have a low rate of flu vaccination which results in unnecessary illnesses, some of which can escalate into serious or fatal illness; millions of days of lost productivity/education; spreading the flu from person to person including people with low immunity and/or health problems; and by spreading the flu around it keeps flu strains active for years....we got rid of polio in developed countries (and are the verge of eliminating from earth) after several years of high percentages of polio vaccination, saving untold kids and adults from sickness, disability, and even death. Flu vaccines may not keep everyone from contracting some form of flu (to create millions of doses, producers have to start months in advance so base vaccine mix on best guess of what strains will hit the US that year...their not always totally right), but usually makes an episode of flu less serious than it would have been without vaccination by boosting the person's immune response at a time when it's likely to be lowest (due to stress/strain of holiday seasons, slow down in immune-promoting exercises, bad weather etc). I got my flu vaccine in mid-Sept to ensure it would be effective early in the flu-cycle, and I have no fear about increasing my chances of developing Alzheimer's Disease (at least from the vaccine, not sure about hereditary factors).
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Many thanks to RuthP and Mactoria for their fantastic posting nipping this piece of dangerous FAKE news at the bud. Kudos.

RuthP
Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:28:04 PM

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hedy mmm wrote:
RuthP wrote:
A bit more factual information is needed because sepsis and septic shock syndrome having nothing to do with the flu vaccine.


Please read carefully, for I did not say it did, however, If there is an infection lurking in the body, a flu shot can and will exacerbate the condition, he was sick for two weeks prior to seeing a doctor.
Mr. Peralta appears to have been sick, quite sick, with something. There is zero evidence a flu vaccination had anything to do with any of this. Whatsoever. Sadly, he died. His family believes it was a serious infection. The cause of death is pending the results of the autopsy.

I am saddened that the death of a young, public figure like Mr. Peralta is being used for baseless claims regarding influenza vaccination. Please cite your source, i.e. the studies which support your claim, that "If there is an infection lurking in the body, a flu shot can and will exacerbate the condition." Was it prospective or retrospective? How large was the study? Has it been replicated by anyone else?

Your original article does not support your claim that Mr. Peralta had been sick for two weeks prior to having a flu shot. The article simply states
"He had been ill for at least two weeks, but had been reluctant to visit a doctor" and “'It was like pulling teeth to get him to talk about not feeling well,' Mr. Sosa said. 'He just thought he was having symptoms related to getting the flu shot.'”
The immunogenic response to the flu shot, i.e. the activation of the immune system by the flu shot, is of limited duration, lasting at most 1-2 days, usually just overnight. What Mr. Peralta thought was happening is not evidence of what was happening. That awaits the autopsy results, which may or may not be made public. Mr. Peralta's death is a tragedy for his family. They have a right to their privacy.

Symptoms of a flu vaccination reaction include the following: soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given, hoarseness, sore, red or itchy eyes, cough, fever, aches, headache, itching, or fatigue. I would actually quibble with the CDC about the "fever". Mostly one might expect a temperature elevation to 37.2-37.8 degrees Celsius (99-100 degrees Fahrenheit). "Fever" as medically defined starts at 38 Celsius / 100.3 Fahrenheit.

One is experiencing an inflammatory response, which is a part of the immune system's response to an antigen. I usually try to get my shot on a Friday afternoon. Most or all the effects are usually gone by the next morning. If I have a particularly bad reaction, which does happen occasionally, it will be gone before I go back to work. I gladly accept the reaction: it is evidence my body is responding to the vaccine and is busy building the structure for a rapid response should I be exposed to the actual flu viruses in the vaccine.




Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, a world-leading immunogeneticist, has extensively studied the effects of the flu vaccine on neurological health. The results of his research indicate that an individual has a 10-time greater chance of getting Alzheimer's disease after receiving five flu shots in the course of their life compared to individuals who have had zero to one shot in their lifetime. Flu vaccines are directly linked to about a dozen cases of paralysis and brain damage each year. Many researchers believe these flue vaccine cocktails produce delayed reactions and long-term health consequences.
Regarding the former Dr. Fudenberg, who died in 2014, please see mactoria's excellent, informative post. From your information, it sounds like he was promoting former (his license, too, was revoked) British doctor Andrew Wakefield's fraudulent research, which was also found to be abusive to the research subjects.

For the CDC, here are some links:
CDC: Vaccines do not cause autism.
CDC: Vaccine additives. This deals with additives in multiple vaccines, not just influenza. It also does not go off into diatribes about the ingredients, but speaks directly to the reason for each one.
CDC: Vaccine safety Pick the vaccine you wish to know about from the list.

For those who want a look at why, even though imperfect, the CDC believes influenza vaccination is worth it, take a look at this:
CDC: Influenza 2017 to 2018 season.
Note that flu-related deaths include deaths from pneumonia (bacterial super-infection) that comes in on top of flu. This can happen to anyone, but is a particular risk for the very young, the old, and people with chronic conditions. "Chronic conditions", however, includes common conditions, like diabetes. In all likelihood, flu deaths per se are underestimated: only pediatric flu deaths have mandatory reporting to the CDC. Flu involvement as a cause of pneumonia may be overestimated, but these are the best estimates we have been able to come up with.

For a more general look at vaccination, try this new, eminently readable book: Between Hope and Fear: A History of Vaccines and Human Immunity, by Michael Kinch

Recent references (thank you Wikipedia) or try a PubMed search or a Google Scholar search:
Bigham M, Copes R (2005). "Thiomersal in vaccines: balancing the risk of adverse effects with the risk of vaccine-preventable disease". Drug Saf. 28 (2): 89–101.

Immunization Safety Review Committee, Board on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention, Institute of Medicine (2004). Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. ISBN 978-0-309-09237-1.

Doja, Asif; Roberts, Wendy (November 2006). "Immunizations and autism: a review of the literature". Can J Neurol Sci. 33 (4): 341–6.

Gołoś, A; Lutyńska, A (2015). "Thiomersal-containing vaccines - a review of the current state of knowledge". Przeglad Epidemiologiczny. 69 (1): 59–64, 157–61.
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hedy mmm wrote:
According to the Center for Disease Control “The following substances are found in flu vaccines; antibiotics, egg protein, human aborted fetal apparatus (dead human tissue), monosodium glutamate, and thimerosal (mercury).”


The continued willful ignorance or outright lying about the nature of thimerosal is stunning. The fact that otherwise intelligent people can persist in this error is problematic for the development and perhaps even the survival of our species.

Saying thimerosal is mercury is like saying table salt is sodium or table salt is chlorine. Both of those are highly toxic; however sodium chloride a compound of the two is essential to life. It is inconceivable to me how people continue in the ignorant assertion that thimerosal is mercury.




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Epiphileon wrote:
hedy mmm wrote:
According to the Center for Disease Control “The following substances are found in flu vaccines; antibiotics, egg protein, human aborted fetal apparatus (dead human tissue), monosodium glutamate, and thimerosal (mercury).”


The continued willful ignorance or outright lying about the nature of thimerosal is stunning. The fact that otherwise intelligent people can persist in this error is problematic for the development and perhaps even the survival of our species.

Saying thimerosal is mercury is like saying table salt is sodium or table salt is chlorine. Both of those are highly toxic; however sodium chloride a compound of the two is essential to life. It is inconceivable to me how people continue in the ignorant assertion that thimerosal is mercury.


Oh Epi, I must laugh! I almost used the sodium/sodium chloride myself here:
Sodium is a soft, shiny silver metal, which can be cut with a knife. When dropped into water it spontaneously combusts, yet sodium chloride is common table salt.
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What astounds me is how many people just passively accept what they are told.

No school anywhere should be turning out citizens who don't know how to evaluate, or value, truth.

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Epiphileon wrote:
...continued willful ignorance...


I've used this term many times because it is the basis for many, if not most, of the politically and ideologically motivated misinformation that is being spewed in the US. Hedy may very well believe what she said, but that is only because she has been and continues to willfully ignore any information that contradicts it because she believes it to be from Democrats. She will not accept information that she believes comes from people who do not share her political views. This has never been a scientific discussion. It has been a political one.

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Romany
Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2018 8:12:02 PM
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Somewhat analagous to another Trumpeteer's assertion in another thread that they don't rely on Fox news for their "truth" but consult other sources; - which turn out to be sites like Breitbart - to provide 'proofs'!

If people aren't taught how to evaluate, or value facts, they'll never find them.
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