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onsen
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 6:09:59 PM
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Hello,

Quote:
If I understand the implications of your remark, you do not trust our captain.
(Basic Word List, Barron’s)


If you are to add some phrase between 'remark' and 'you', what phrase will be adequate?
What I think of is 'I will assume'.


Thank you.

Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Friday, November 9, 2018 12:36:49 AM

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I would use "I would assume . . ."

This is more the normal conditional for that idea, I think.


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Romany
Posted: Friday, November 9, 2018 6:03:22 AM
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Been nagging and nagging at me why this sentence seems so unnatural but now the penny has dropped......it's because it isn't punctuated as it should be.

If anyone were to say the words in the OP they would be framed as a question!!

It's still not very natural, but it IS one way of alligning it more with native English.

NKM
Posted: Friday, November 9, 2018 1:35:15 PM

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Hi, Romany -

I can't agree with you this time.

It could be framed as a question, but it could just as well be delivered with a sneer.

Romany
Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2018 9:46:43 AM
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NK -

OK, So that isn't necessarily it, then.

Perhaps it's because one would usually include "correctly"? "If I understand you correctly, you...." but maybe that's a BE convention?

Using "correctly" gives the other person a Get Out of Jail Free pass. Figuring one's captain as untrustworthy is very serious. (Even more so, if no-one else shares that thought!) By giving the person who said it the opportunity to say "No, you didn't understand/interpret me correctly, I meant...." It gives them the opportunity to retract, amend or reconsider; before making a calamitous suggestion that could lead to all kinds of damage within the club/team or whatever is being captained? Just as framing the existing text as a question can do.

Wonder what Drago and Thar think about it?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:26:13 AM

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I didn't look at what the suggested conditional was - just the form "If . . . , I will assume. . .".

Yes - the original does sound accusatory. Even as a question, it's a bit 'iffy'.
So you're implying that you don't trust our captain?
Are you trying to imply that the captain isn't trustworthy?"


It would have to be accompanied by all sorts of body-language - smile, little chuckle (laughing at oneself for even considering such an impossible idea).





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NKM
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:28:57 AM

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Hi again, Romany -

You're right about the addition of the word "correctly"; it would seem to allow for an extra bit of leeway.

And it's the same in American English, though we might be more inclined to phrase it as "If I heard you right …."

Romany
Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:49:54 PM
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Well done, gang! Another successful mission: I can put the niggle to bed.

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