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justina bandol
Posted: Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:55:53 PM
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Here is a text about the Exhibition of the Industry of All Nations held in 1853-1854 in New York:

Hamburg presents many articles in horn, some pretty furniture, a large collection of sticks, embroideries, and Turkey showcases fine silks, raw materials, stuff of the earth, carpets and rugs much remarked upon. A million people under that glass during the course of the Exhibition. They dally and gasp at the exquisite watches from Switzerland, very diminutive, true craft, barely an inch in circumference and wound and ticking audibly, most beautifully set with lovely enameled exteriors. Grain and chocolate and guns, muskets and French pistols (the famous duels) and a stuffed Apache. Crimson fruit from Amazon vines and brown slivers of llama meat, dried and cured.

Does anyone have a clue about what the „stuffed Apache” could be? I thought it was one of the French exhibits, but I browsed through the Catalogue of the Exhibition (it is available on-line at https://archive.org/stream/cu31924031227105/cu31924031227105_djvu.txt) and could find nothing.
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Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 3:15:46 AM

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My guess is that it's the stuffed (preserved) body of an Apache (human).

Probably it's on the missing page 93 at the end of section 29 of the United States exhibit - just after:

38 Stuffed bear, stuffed birds, and other animals.
47 Case of stuffed birds.
64 Two stuffed dogs, of the pure terrier species.
86 Preserved game birds of various countries ; preserved Albino and mottled
deer ; preserved panthers, male and female.

Or maybe it's included in #38.

This was New York in 1853 - things were a little different then.


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renee talley 1
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justina bandol
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 5:01:36 AM
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God, could that possibly be? At such an exhibition? I wouldn't believe it. What is strange is that there's no mention of anything like that on the net - and one thinks there should be.

But it seems I have no other choice than to write exactly that.

Thank you, Drag0nspeaker!
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Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 5:04:12 AM

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No Renee we don' t use the term breed when we refer to humans, breed is a term for varieties of animals or plants to use the term breed for people is to dehumanise them.

The Apache were a cultural group of related North American tribes .

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Niranjan L. Bhale
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Meaning of Apache is "a violent street ruffian, originally in Paris"
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Niranjan L. Bhale wrote:
Meaning of Apache is "a violent street ruffian, originally in Paris"


That's true of the original meaning, but in the context it's far more likely to relate to an indigenous American person.

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Romany
Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 12:59:36 PM
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I didn't go to the link, because I assumed this is a text from at least the 19thC, if not earlier?

In which case, yes, taxidermists did indeed stuff native Americans. They used their skulls as drinking cups too, and imposed on them all manner of strange hideous indignities.

Though it is very difficult for us in the 21stC to get our heads around this, they didn't do it necessarily because they were depraved, inhuman people - but because they did really believe that "Savages" were not human. Their idea was that anyone who wasn't white was sub-human. Thousands of people lived and died with that belief; thus didn't even see it as an offence, let alone a crime against humanity.

Which is evidenced by the presentation of this article casually thrown in with all the other things.

But hey, the world has moved on since then.
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Posted: Friday, November 2, 2018 1:22:53 PM

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Romany wrote:
I didn't go to the link, because I assumed this is a text from at least the 19thC, if not earlier?

Yes - it's an OCR-generated facsimile of the catalogue of exhibits - must be quite a tome.
I got to the missing page 93, and that is not the end of "Section One - the USA".
"GB and Ireland" covers another 40 pages.
Turkey, and contributions from the "Emperor of Hiyti" are on page 192.

The original is in Cornell University Library.

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justina bandol
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It is intriguing that the presence of a stuffed Native American at the 1853-1854 Exhibition is not mentioned anywhere on the net (not just in the catalogue). Someone would have brought it to attention. I am starting to suspect this is an invention of the author (the quote is taken from Colson Whitehead's The Intuitionist, which mixes truth and fabulation).
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I don't think it's unlikely at all.
It just wouldn't have been newsworthy - like killing off a couple of endangered species in Africa.
"Oh well - there are lots more wild animals to hunt!"

I haven't found any other mentions of stuffed natives in museums - but there's one in a book called "The Changing Presentation of the American Indian: Museums and Native Cultures" which mentions young native children being abducted and displayed in the Musée de l'Homme for one of the King Louiss.



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justina bandol
Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:21:13 AM
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Dear DragOnspeaker, I find this downright macabre, revolting and just... so immeasurably sad. But then, if we look around (and maybe within as well), don't we see the same today?

Anyway, I think I was just amazed such an exhibit could be exposed at that particular Exhibition (of the civilized nations' accomplishments), not that it existed as such. It would have been almost like bringing a living chained slave to be shown - as an achievement, right?

But then how does a human corpse ultimately differ from an animal one from the point of view of taxidermy? It is the quoted text that insinuates the subhuman (in Romany's words) status of the Apache, but he might have been just a proof of taxidermal mastery - or, alternatively, a curiosity, like various circus or fair monsters.

I'm just rambling, sorry. And yes, I understand not mentioning it at the time and the reasons for that, but it is curious to me nobody mentions it even today, in various sources discussing the Exhibition (I somehow expected this to be a big issue what with the whole political and ethnic correctness of our times).



Romany
Posted: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:24:26 AM
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Justina - the Internet is a wonderful source, but search engines are not completely comprehensive: it depends on what is made available to it. And a certain amount of censorship, (often fuelled by politics) also takes place.

Books, old newspapers, letters, office files, and ancient magazines are still the most comprehensive when undertaking historical studies. A lot of these ARE available on-line, but you have to know HOW to find them. Particular data-bases, University data-bases, newspaper data-bases, etc. etc. are plentiful but need specific navigation...and lots and lots of reading.People who regard "Wiki" as the font of all knowledge rarely take the trouble to do actual research.

I'm not in the slightest judging YOU- simply explaining why Google,or other search engines, often can't seem to produce specific results.

The things humans have done to other humans are horrendous, and no-one who studies history remains oblivious to this fact. I have had students contact me in tears when studying Colonial History (of all nations)!

The "stuffing" of human people is mentioned in books/letters/journals; one of them I remember was in a book discussing the life and reign of Queen Victoria. Not the first source that would occur to most people!!


On the other hand, studying history, one becomes aware of how truly wonderful and amazing people, communities, countries can be. And what great and inspiring heights the human race can, and has, achieved.



Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:29:38 AM

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T.S. Eliot - The Hollow Men


Mistah Kurtz—he dead.


A penny for the Old Guy

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us—if at all—not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer—

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.




In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:05:46 PM
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JJ -

Thanks for reminding us all of Eliot. I know you put it here because of the "we are the stuffed men" - but a little bit of Eliot to read on a bleak Sunday afternoon is a nice little addition.

ps - I wonder how many times those last two lines have been quoted? Must be millions!
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:31:24 PM

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Millions of stuffed men ;-)
(Or is it just me and my old possum friend?)


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Romany
Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2018 1:29:14 PM
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Ah, I think those stuffed men are the other branch of the family from matchstick men, JJ!
Parpar1836
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:02:58 PM
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Perhaps I'm grasping at straws, but could a word have been accidentally deleted from the catalogue? The phrase would then read "stuffed Apache cushion" or "stuffed Apache target," something more in keeping with the array of furnishings noted therein.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:58:09 PM

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Parpar1836 wrote:
Perhaps I'm grasping at straws, but could a word have been accidentally deleted from the catalogue? The phrase would then read "stuffed Apache cushion" or "stuffed Apache target," something more in keeping with the array of furnishings noted therein.


Sadly I think you are clutching at straws.

It would not be the only time such a thing has been done as recently as 1997 there was a 170 year old stuffed African in a museum in Spain, he has been returned home for burial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37344210

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