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Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:47:50 AM

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Hi
What does "committed" mean?
"Many crimes are committed each year against those who inhabit in slum area of our city."
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:59:53 AM

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Hello Tara.

Firstly I would like to say that the sentence is not good English - I'll note the individual problems at the end.

"Commit" is a very specific verb meaning "do" - but it is only used for crimes.
You do not 'commit a good deed' or 'commit your work' or anything like that.
Only 'commit a crime', 'commit murder', 'commit a theft' etc.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.

American Heritage

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On the other parts of the sentence:
"Slum area of our city" is very definite - specifically defined - so it needs a definite article 'the'.

You do not "inhabit in somewhere" - "in" is already included in the meaning of "inhabit".

"Many crimes are committed each year against those who inhabit the slum area of our city."

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 4:05:51 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Hello Tara.

Firstly I would like to say that the sentence is not good English - I'll note the individual problems at the end.

"Commit" is a very specific verb meaning "do" - but it is only used for crimes.
You do not 'commit a good deed' or 'commit your work' or anything like that.
Only 'commit a crime', 'commit murder', 'commit a theft' etc.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.

American Heritage

**************
On the other parts of the sentence:
"Slum area of our city" is very definite - specifically defined - so it needs a definite article 'the'.

You do not "inhabit in somewhere" - "in" is already included in the meaning of "inhabit".

"Many crimes are committed each year against those who inhabit the slum area of our city."

Hello Drago
Sorry the sentence in the book is what you wrote. I wrote those mistakes.
Thank you so much you explained very well

Does the sentence mean "poor people are criminal"?
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 4:06:25 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Hello Tara.

Firstly I would like to say that the sentence is not good English - I'll note the individual problems at the end.

"Commit" is a very specific verb meaning "do" - but it is only used for crimes.
You do not 'commit a good deed' or 'commit your work' or anything like that.
Only 'commit a crime', 'commit murder', 'commit a theft' etc.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.

American Heritage

**************
On the other parts of the sentence:
"Slum area of our city" is very definite - specifically defined - so it needs a definite article 'the'.

You do not "inhabit in somewhere" - "in" is already included in the meaning of "inhabit".

"Many crimes are committed each year against those who inhabit the slum area of our city."

Hello Drago
Sorry the sentence in the book is what you wrote. I wrote those mistakes.
Thank you so much you explained very well

Does the sentence mean "poor people are criminal"?
BobShilling
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 4:38:08 AM
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Tara2 wrote:


Does the sentence mean "poor people are criminal"?


Not at all.
thar
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 4:41:26 AM

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Tara2 wrote:


Does the sentence mean "poor people are criminal"?


No, it is not saying that.

The crimes are committed - that is a passive verb. It does not say who commits the crimes.

The poor people are the victims of crime. Crimes are committed against them.

But this doesn't say who commits the crimes. If it is burglary and muggings and street killings, then yes it suggests it is other people who live in the same slums who are committing those crimes.

But the crimes could be committed by other people: drug gangs, the police or vigilantes, employers who exploit the poor, rich criminals, even the government. The author could be complaining that one of these groups is responsible for committing many crimes against the slum-dwellers.

This single sentence does not explain what crimes they mean, or who is committing them. It only claims that the slum-dwellers are the victims of crime.

(edited for clarity)
papo_308
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:16:54 AM
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:


"Commit" is a very specific verb meaning "do" - but it is only used for crimes.
You do not 'commit a good deed' or 'commit your work' or anything like that.
Only 'commit a crime', 'commit murder', 'commit a theft' etc.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.

American Heritage



I'm far from trying to oppose, but when working in database environment,
it's quite usual that you 'commit your work'.
But here 'commit' means 'confirm' or 'make valid'.
Technically this means that a transaction is successfully closed and the results become visible to other users.

Sorry, I know it doesn't exactly belong here, but because I do it every day, I couldn't help it.Silenced
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:43:25 AM

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papo_308 wrote:
I'm far from trying to oppose, but when working in database environment,
it's quite usual that you 'commit your work'.
But here 'commit' means 'confirm' or 'make valid'.

This doesn't appear in any of the TFD dictionaries as a meaning for "commit".

Possibly it's a 'variant of'/'compromise between' some of the other definitions.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.
2. To put in trust or charge; entrust: commit oneself to the care of a doctor; commit responsibilities to an assistant.
3. To consign for future use or for preservation: We must commit the necessary funds for the project.
4. To place officially in confinement or custody, as in a mental health facility.
5. To put into a place to be disposed of or kept safe: committed the manuscript to the flames.
6.
a. To make known the views of (oneself) on an issue: I never commit myself on such issues.
b. To bind, obligate, or devote, as by a pledge: They were committed to follow orders. She committed herself to her art.
7. To refer (a legislative bill, for example) to a committee.

It sounds like rather a mixture between 3, 6a, and 7, with the added implication of 'validate'.

I only gave the definition used in "crimes are committed".


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:18:53 AM

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thar wrote:
Tara2 wrote:


Does the sentence mean "poor people are criminal"?


No, it is not saying that.

The crimes are committed - that is a passive verb. It does not say who commits the crimes.

The poor people are the victims of crime. Crimes are committed against them.

But this doesn't say who commits the crimes. If it is burglary and muggings and street killings, then yes it suggests it is other people who live in the same slums who are committing those crimes.

But the crimes could be committed by other people: drug gangs, the police or vigilantes, employers who exploit the poor, rich criminals, even the government. The author could be complaining that one of these groups is responsible for committing many crimes against the slum-dwellers.

This single sentence does not explain what crimes they mean, or who is committing them. It only claims that the slum-dwellers are the victims of crime.

(edited for clarity)

You explained very well
Thank you so much thar
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:20:29 AM

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papo_308 wrote:
Drag0nspeaker wrote:


"Commit" is a very specific verb meaning "do" - but it is only used for crimes.
You do not 'commit a good deed' or 'commit your work' or anything like that.
Only 'commit a crime', 'commit murder', 'commit a theft' etc.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.

American Heritage



I'm far from trying to oppose, but when working in database environment,
it's quite usual that you 'commit your work'.
But here 'commit' means 'confirm' or 'make valid'.
Technically this means that a transaction is successfully closed and the results become visible to other users.

Sorry, I know it doesn't exactly belong here, but because I do it every day, I couldn't help it.Silenced

Thank you so much
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:21:33 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
papo_308 wrote:
I'm far from trying to oppose, but when working in database environment,
it's quite usual that you 'commit your work'.
But here 'commit' means 'confirm' or 'make valid'.

This doesn't appear in any of the TFD dictionaries as a meaning for "commit".

Possibly it's a 'variant of'/'compromise between' some of the other definitions.

com·mit v.tr.
1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.
2. To put in trust or charge; entrust: commit oneself to the care of a doctor; commit responsibilities to an assistant.
3. To consign for future use or for preservation: We must commit the necessary funds for the project.
4. To place officially in confinement or custody, as in a mental health facility.
5. To put into a place to be disposed of or kept safe: committed the manuscript to the flames.
6.
a. To make known the views of (oneself) on an issue: I never commit myself on such issues.
b. To bind, obligate, or devote, as by a pledge: They were committed to follow orders. She committed herself to her art.
7. To refer (a legislative bill, for example) to a committee.

It sounds like rather a mixture between 3, 6a, and 7, with the added implication of 'validate'.

I only gave the definition used in "crimes are committed".


Thanks a gain very much Drago
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