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Helenej
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 2:58:10 PM

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Owls hoot. Ducks quack. Magpies chatter. Peacocks scream. Pigeons coo. Ravens croak. Geese honk. Turkeys gobble.

What do sparrows do?
thar
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 3:09:17 PM

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Not much. Kind of twitter, I guess.




Quote:

twitter
.
1.
a. The light chirping sound made by certain birds.

twitter (ˈtwɪtə)
vb
1. (intr) (esp of a bird) to utter a succession of chirping sounds


Not really strong enough to be called a chirp.

Helenej
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 3:14:18 PM

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thar wrote:
Not really strong enough to be called a chirp.

What birds chirp?
hedy mmm
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 3:16:13 PM

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Sparrows have a sharp chip note to indicate alarm or anxiety; both sexes make it when excited or if predators approach a nest. Females make a harsh chatter at their mates during nest-building, or at a female intruding on the territory. Young or subordinate birds make a softer, tsip note.

I'm knowledgeable because in my neighborhood, there are lots of trees...sycamores, oaks, evergreens, many of them 50-70 yrs old...
You can google sparrow sounds and hear how cute they sound...I've recorded them in my front yard when I feed them!

BTW Chicken's chirp, in fact there is a chain of fast foods called "Chirpin' Chicken"....mmmmm good!
hedy

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thar
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 3:17:25 PM

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Canaries? Something with a bit of volume and clarity.

A twitter is a softer less defined sound, from small birds.


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And of course Hedy is right - it depends on the call.
Helenej
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hedy mmm wrote:
Sparrows have a sharp chip note to indicate alarm or anxiety; both sexes make it when excited or if predators approach a nest. Females make a harsh chatter at their mates during nest-building, or at a female intruding on the territory. Young or subordinate birds make a softer, tsip note.

You sound like a real ornithologist knowing so many details, Hedy. You do seem not to be wasting the days given to you, as your signature goes. Angel Sparrows abound here, too, but what I could only say about them, if asked, that they sometimes cry loudly and sometimes not. Shame on me!

So, I suppose I can say, talking about myself in the park rather than sparrows in the park,
"I was sitting in the park reading a book and listening to the sparrows twittering/chattering in the trees", right?

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They chirp.
hedy mmm
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:15:28 PM

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Thanks thar, it does depend on the call, and your question/answer of canaries...

This bird sound dialogue reminds me of a canary (and all the trimmings) I gifted my mom in 1978...she had written a list of what she wanted for Christmas from my dad and brothers, we each had the list. The first item on the list was a "singing canary in a wooden cage". Of course, I set out to buy her just that. I first bought the 3 story wooden cage in an exclusive Asian shop ($40), then I went to a Pet Shop for the canary...low and behold the "Guaranteed Singing Canary" was $150! Very steep cost in 1975...so I asked for a singing parakeet ($50)...little did I know that they eat through the bamboo/wooden cage! So, I went for broke, bought the food, vitamins, covering, fancy bottom paper AND the singing canary (with the guaranteed authenticity of song). Set me back $215...yikes (I didn't even tell my husband!)...today's cost with inflation would be over $1,000.

I named him Sundrop for he was a beautiful maize color. Needless to say my mom was ecstatic for he had a beautiful song...my dad took him under his wing (please don't mind the pun) and Sundrop loved my dad & mom and gave them hours of pleasure! Alas, 2 months later, my mom left the window open and Sundrop was dead by morning...

My dad, mom and husband have joined that home beyond the sky...this true story still brings a bittersweet memory of times gone by.

Thanks Helenej, for your thread...I know I've rattled on, but I just don't care...hedy


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Helenej
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:57:45 PM

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What a terrible death of the innocent bird. What a sad story. I am sorry.
hedy mmm
Posted: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:09:19 PM

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Don't be sad Helenej...

I believe that, although animals don't have a soul, God has prepared a place for them...
Be sad for God's creation (Man) who has a soul and doesn't know Him...

"If you're born once you die twice...if you're born twice you die once", I am of the latter.

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hedy mmm wrote:
Don't be sad Helenej...

I believe that, although animals don't have a soul, God has prepared a place for them...
Be sad for God's creation (Man) who has a soul and doesn't know Him...

"If you're born once you die twice...if you're born twice you die once", I am of the latter.

hedy



Very moving, Hedy. Thank you for that.
mactoria
Posted: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:53:31 AM
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Helene: All the other various discussions aside, sparrows "chirp" per several different resources I found on Google (from allaboutbirds to numerous official and amateur websites). They are also said to "cheerup" which is similar to "chirp" and I found a reference that talked about sparrows bathing in either dirt or water (some birds like to scratch up dirt into dust and then "bathe" in it to clean or coat their feathers...while they also may like to bathe in water when it's available); and when groups of sparrows bathe it can set off a group "sing." Lots of birds are said to 'chirp,' not every different bird has a specifically different term for the sounds they make, at least in the English language.

So for your writing purposes, you could say you sat and listened to "sparrows chirping." It's not fancy, but it's what they do and what the average person would recognize as the sound a sparrow makes.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:33:20 AM

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Sparrows can also be said to cheep or chirrup.

But as Thar and Hedy have said the precise sound they make varies from call to call and depends on the particular species of a sparrow you are listening to in the UK there are House Sparrows, Tree Sparrows and Hedge Sparrows that all sound different. It has also been shown that different populations of the same species of bird can have their own particular call, so a House Sparrwo from London may sound different to a House Sparrow from Paris or Rome.

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Sanmayce
Posted: Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:27:40 AM

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Don't know what the sparrows do, think they tweet as Google says:

tweet

noun
noun: tweet; plural noun: tweets

1.
the chirp of a small or young bird.
"the gentle tweet of a bird can be heard"
2.
a message, image, etc. posted on Twitter.
"he started posting tweets via his mobile phone to let his parents know he was safe"

verb
verb: tweet; 3rd person present: tweets; past tense: tweeted; past participle: tweeted; gerund or present participle: tweeting

1.
make a chirping noise.
"the birds were tweeting in the branches"

2.
post a message, image, etc. on Twitter.
"she talks about her own life, but she's just as likely to tweet about budget cuts and Keynesian economics"


In Bulgarian, we use two words: чирик-ат/чурулик-ат transliterated as chririk-ing/churulik-ing, quite similar to chirp-ing, so if you want an imported wordage - they chririk/churulik. Have you read this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2025006/Sparrows-birdsong--theyre-actually-trading-insults.html

Allow me a follow-up, what does Champagne do [having poured into a glass]? Those bubbles what sound do they produce when vibrating/bursting?



"Researchers using underwater microphones say the sounds bubbles make as they ping off the sides of the glass can provide tell-tale clues as to their size – a factor long thought to be linked to the quality of the wine. While recent research has suggested tiny bubbles might not lead to optimal aroma release, the theory is that the largest bubbles are found in cheaper booze.

The sounds are not down to popping, but the bubbles’ formation, says Kyle Spratt from the Applied Research Laboratories at the University of Texas at Austin. “Bubbles form on the glass and when they break off and rise they are vibrating at a certain frequency that is determined by their size,” he said. “They ring at a certain frequency; they ring like bells, basically,” he added. “The smaller the bubble, the higher the pitch that it resonates at.”

Andrea Sella, professor of inorganic chemistry at University College London, said the experiment was incredibly clever, and compared the different bubble sounds with a kettle boiling. “You start with this very high frequency hiss [from small bubbles] and the tone of the sound gradually drops until eventually you get to that big bubble [rumbling] sound,” he said."

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/05/sparkling-conversation-could-listening-to-champagne-reveal-its-quality

In the article they use 'hiss' and 'rumble', maybe the sound should be called 'microrumbling' to differentiate from cat's hissing:



A baby serval hisses in its enclosure in a zoo in Leipzig

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IMcRout
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Just to fill in a probable gap in your combined knowledge:

Apart from those sounds described above, German sparrows whistle!

At least, that is, when they do it figuratively. There is a saying 'Das pfeifen die Spatzen von den Dächern' (directly translated: The sparrows are whistling it from the roofs.) meaning, 'That is no longer a secret'. or, 'That is already common knowledge'.

A bit like the whistleblower, but without the negative associations.

Edit: BTW, my champagne fizzles.

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hedy mmm
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palapaguy wrote:
Very moving, Hedy. Thank you for that.


Thank you so much,
hedy



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Helenej
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I’ve googled ‘twitter’ and ‘chirp’ for sparrows in the Google and this is what it shows (no hits for ‘tweet’, though). Looks like sparrows most often chirp and twitter and sometimes they chatter.

chirp/twitter/chatter

Thank you to everyone who replied and shared their knowledge and opinions.
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On a lighter note, a certain little sparrow sings in French: non je ne regrette rien.

I remember, therefore I am.
hedy mmm
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Jacobusmaximus wrote:
"On a lighter note, a certain little sparrow sings in French: non je ne regrette riven."


I would not regret anything, if I could fly free as a sparrow...(I'm a little rusty with my French, guess I'd have to 'whistle'...after all, I'm half German)
hedy Whistle



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Sanmayce
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Helenej wrote:
I’ve googled ‘twitter’ and ‘chirp’ for sparrows in the Google and this is what it shows (no hits for ‘tweet’, though). Looks like sparrows most often chirp and twitter and sometimes they chatter.

chirp/twitter/chatter

Thank you to everyone who replied and shared their knowledge and opinions.


Nice graphs!

Funny, if you ask 'Google Books' you end up right:

[x] sparrows chirp
[x] sparrows twitter
[ ] sparrows tweet
[ ] sparrows whistle

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=sparrows+chirp%2Csparrows+twitter%2Csparrows+tweet%2C+sparrows+whistle&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Csparrows%20chirp%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Csparrows%20twitter%3B%2Cc0

if you ask 'oxforddictionaries & merriam-webster' you end up corrected:

verb
[no object]
1 Make a chirping noise.
‘the birds were tweeting in the branches’

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/tweet

intransitive verb
1 : to make a chirping sound
"birds tweeting in the trees"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tweet

0]
The Morning Triolet [a Triolet Poem] - Poem by Prashant Shaurya

Each day when sun rises at dawn
and on their perch the sparrows tweet
heavenly pearls roll down my lawn...
Each day when sun rises at dawn
and rainbows on the sky are drawn
the cuckoo sings some melody sweet...
Each day when sun rises at dawn
and on their perch the sparrows tweet...


1]

These events everyday
Birds chirp
Sparrows tweet
We don’t notice
We don’t greet

But Today when
Birds chirp and
Sparrows tweet
It breaks stillness
Sweet Reverberations
Breathing energy
Melodiously
On purpose
So we think

These events everyday
New Music
New Color
New Energy
Just reflect
The light inside us

/Vipin Samar/

2]

Introduction to Paremiology: A Comprehensive Guide to Proverb Studies
Hrisztalina Hrisztova-Gotthardt, Melita Aleksa Varga
Walter de Gruyter GmbH & Co KG, Dec 14, 2015 - Language Arts & Disciplines - 382 pages

"This handbook introduces key elements of the philological research area called paremiology (the study of proverbs). It presents the main subject area as well as the current status of paremiological research. The basic notions, among others, include defining proverbs, main proverb features, origin, collecting and categorization of proverbs. Each chapter is written by a leading scholar-specialist in their area of proverbial research. Since the book represents a measured balance between the popular and scientific approach, it is recommended to a wide readership including experienced and budding scholars, students of linguistics, as well as other professionals interested in the study of proverbs."

"Sparrows tweet about it on the roof. = A little bird told me. = It's an open secret."

https://books.google.bg/books?id=Rxs_CwAAQBAJ&pg=PT301&lpg=PT301&dq=%22sparrows+tweet%22&source=bl&ots=n2FgR-JG4l&sig=O-Ooo7YwtGdmdXnNx9BXnoAMCSI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmzP6z-4baAhWKDCwKHaAiAmEQ6AEIXDAO#v=onepage&q=%22sparrows%20tweet%22&f=false

3]
Atmospheres: Aesthetics of Emotional Spaces
Tonino Griffero
Routledge, Apr 8, 2016 - Architecture - 180 pages

"Originally published in Italian in 2010, this book is the first to address the theory of atmospheres in a thorough and systematic way. It examines the role of atmospheres in daily life, and defines their main characteristics. Outlining the typical phenomenological situations in which we experience atmospheres, it assesses their impact on contemporary aesthetics. It puts forward a philosophical approach which systematises a constellation of affects and climates, finds patterns in the emotional tones of different spaces (affordances) and assesses their impact on the felt body. It also critically discusses the spatial turn invoked by several of the social sciences, and argues that there is a need for a non-psychologistic rethinking of the philosophy of emotions. It provides a history of the term 'atmosphere' and of the concepts anticipating its meaning (genius loci, aura, Stimmung, numinous, emotional design and ambiance), and examines the main ontological characteristics of atmospheres and their principal phenomenological characteristics. It concludes by showing how atmospheres affect our emotions, our bodies' reactions, our state of mind and, as a result, our behaviour and judgments. Griffero assesses how atmospheres are more effective than we have been rationally willing to admit, and to what extent traditional aesthetics, unilaterally oriented towards art, has underestimated this truth."

"... if some starlings and sparrows tweet on the few trees on the main road. (Klages 1998: 33–34)"

https://books.google.bg/books?id=8CbtCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT62&lpg=PT62&dq=%22sparrows+tweet%22&source=bl&ots=Ma5hq5Ry7a&sig=KQwMpQz7uPmqvyoklIP7vHogdc8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqmovJ_YbaAhVGiKYKHWufDPI4ChDoAQgvMAI#v=onepage&q=%22sparrows%20tweet%22&f=false

Google "twitter definition":

twitter
verb
verb: twitter; 3rd person present: twitters; past tense: twittered; past participle: twittered; gerund or present participle: twittering

1.
(of a bird) give a call consisting of repeated light tremulous sounds.
"sparrows twittered under the eaves"
synonyms: chirp, chirrup, cheep, tweet, peep, chitter, chatter, trill, warble, sing
"sparrows twittered under the eaves"
talk in a light, high-pitched voice.
"old ladies in the congregation twittered"
talk rapidly and at length in a trivial way.
"he twittered on about buying a new workshop"
synonyms: prattle, babble, chatter, prate, gabble, jabber, go on, run on, rattle on/away, yap, jibber-jabber, patter, blather, blether, blither, maunder, ramble, drivel; informalyak, yackety-yak, yabber, yatter;
informal witter, rabbit, chunter, natter, waffle;
informal slabber;
informal mag;
archaic twaddle, clack, twattle
"oh, for heaven's sake stop twittering about Fabio"
2.
post a message, image, etc. on the social media service Twitter.
"many active bloggers are twittering more and more these days"

noun
noun: twitter; plural noun: twitters

1.
a series of short, high-pitched calls or sounds.
"his words were cut off by a faint electronic twitter"
synonyms: chirp, chirping, chirrup, chirruping, cheep, cheeping, tweet, tweeting, peep, peeping, chitter, chittering, trill, trilling, warble, warbling; song, cry, call
"a bird's faint twitter"
idle or ignorant talk.
"drawing-room twitter"
synonyms: prattle, chatter, babble, talk, prating, gabble, jabber, blather, blether, rambling; More
informal yackety-yak, yabbering, yatter;
informal wittering, nattering, chuntering;
archaic clack, twattle
"her non-stop twitter"

Origin
late Middle English (as a verb): imitative.


Google "tweet definition":

tweet

noun
noun: tweet; plural noun: tweets

1.
the chirp of a small or young bird.
"the gentle tweet of a bird can be heard"
2.
a message, image, etc. posted on Twitter.
"he started posting tweets via his mobile phone to let his parents know he was safe"

verb
verb: tweet; 3rd person present: tweets; past tense: tweeted; past participle: tweeted; gerund or present participle: tweeting

1.
make a chirping noise.
"the birds were tweeting in the branches"
2.
post a message, image, etc. on Twitter.
"she talks about her own life, but she's just as likely to tweet about budget cuts and Keynesian economics"
communicate with (someone) on Twitter.
"email us, tweet us, go to our blog, and find us on Facebook"


Obviously, the confusion comes from twitter/tweet being verbs and nouns, there is no clear distinction, my reaction to this overlapping/overlappage resembles The Grumpy/Mad Bluebird's:



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Helenej
Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:02:02 AM

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I agree, Sanmayce, it sounds a bit strange that Google Ngram Viewer doesn’t find “sparrows tweet”.

Anyway, I’ve just found two videos on Youtube with birds’ tweeting. It seems “tweeting” is much more about “singing” and whistling as compared with “chirping”.
tweeting
tweeting

By the way, Russian sparrows do exactly what Bulgarian sparrows do – they чирик, too.Angel
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