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Koh Elaine
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:26:04 PM
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Donald Trump married wife Melania in January 2005 in a million-dollar wedding, spending an estimated $500,000 on flowers and thousands of dollars on caviar. In addition, Melania wore a $125,000 Christian Dior wedding gown. The wedding cake at the reception was a 50-pound orange Grand Marnier cake, covered by over 3,000 roses. It was a celebrity-studded affair.

Is the word 'wife' redundant?

Thanks.
Helenej
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:28:55 PM

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Of course it is redundant. But there's more to that. I think a man can't marry his own wife. When he was marrying her, she wasn't his wife. :)
Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:41:31 PM

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Here... Donald Trump married (his now) wife Melania in ...

Roll with it.
thar
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:42:26 PM

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He also married another woman, didn't he? But she is now his ex-wife.

So, in terms of giving two pieces of information with efficiency using only two words, this does the job.

1 His wife [current wife] is called Melania.

2 He married her on....


That also removes Helenej's objection that you don't marry your wife!. One is a stative adjective (she is his wife) and one is a past event (he married her.

I agree it sounds a bit awkward - but in terms of compressed information, it is efficient. This is 'media style'. You would never say it this way - but you would write a tabloid-style article this way.

Eg
He married ex-wife Ivana in..... but they divorced in.......

NKM
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:27:01 PM

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So it's not really redundant. He has married at least one other woman, who is not (now) his wife.

It would be clearer to say "his current wife Melania …".

thar
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:09:25 PM

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It is also about naming conventions.
In English, you would either introduce someone by their full name:
He married Melania Kravs in....

Or you would introduce they by their relationship:
He married wife Melania in...
He married his current wife Malania in...

But
He married Melania in...
only works if you have already introduced her and you know who 'Melania ' is. A first name alone is not used until you know them - even within the context of a news story. It is presumptuous to use a first name only.

In news stories you will see a person introduced with two names, but thereafter only the surname is used. This is standard for men, and sometimes used for women but it still feels uncomfortable for some people to refer to women by their last name only, and two names are often used for women.

This being a piece about personal relationships, a first name is used, but the person has to be made known to you first, by full name or by some sort of explanatory label of who she is.

Helenej
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:35:51 PM

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thar wrote:
It is also about naming conventions.
In English, you would either introduce someone by their full name:
He married Melania Kravs in....

Or you would introduce they by their relationship:
He married wife Melania in...
He married his current wife Malania in...

But
He married Melania in...
only works if you have already introduced her and you know who 'Melania ' is. A first name alone is not used until you know them - even within the context of a news story. It is presumptuous to use a first name only.

In news stories you will see a person introduced with two names, but thereafter only the surname is used. This is standard for men, and sometimes used for women but it still feels uncomfortable for some people to refer to women by their last name only, and two names are often used for women.

This being a piece about personal relationships, a first name is used, but the person has to be made known to you first, by full name or by some sort of explanatory label of who she is.

In this case, her first name alone appears in the heading itself. It’s probably because everyone knows who the woman in the picture is, especially if her first name comes together with the title and name of her famous husband. Moreover, the subheading “Becoming Mrs. Trump” further explains their relationship. Given that, it seems all the more strange that her name is preceded with ‘wife’ in the first sentence of the article.
Melania
whatson
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:45:00 PM
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Wilmar (USA) wrote:
Here... Donald Trump married (his now) wife Melania in ...

Roll with it.


Good wall-money foolishly wasted.
thar
Posted: Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:25:45 PM

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Helenej wrote:

In this case, her first name alone appears in the heading itself. It’s probably because everyone knows who the woman in the picture is, especially if her first name comes together with the title and name of her famous husband. Moreover, the subheading “Becoming Mrs. Trump” further explains their relationship. Given that, it seems all the more strange that her name is preceded with ‘wife’ in the first sentence of the article.
Melania


Hmmm - but that is another strange thing about media writing. They don't assume you know the content of any headline or tagline. The body of the story always repeats what has just been stayed in the headline.
I'm not defending what they wrote, - not having read it - just noting which conventions they may be choosing to apply.
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:45:12 PM

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Koh Elaine wrote:
Donald Trump married wife Melania in January 2005 in a million-dollar wedding, spending an estimated $500,000 on flowers and thousands of dollars on caviar. In addition, Melania wore a $125,000 Christian Dior wedding gown. The wedding cake at the reception was a 50-pound orange Grand Marnier cake, covered by over 3,000 roses. It was a celebrity-studded affair.

Is the word 'wife' redundant?

Thanks.


No, it is not redundant, since it implies that his current wife is meant: that clarifies things, since he has two former wives as well, Ivana and Marla.
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