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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:12:15 AM

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plo·sive (plō′sĭv, -zĭv)

adj. Of, relating to, or being a speech sound produced by complete closure of the oral passage and subsequent release accompanied by a burst of air, as in the sound (p) in pit or (d) in dog.
n. A plosive speech sound.

Does he pronounce it correctly in this audio:

https://ahdictionary.com/application/resources/wavs/P0378500.wav

?

I'm asking because to my ear it's different in this related word:

https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=explosive

Quote:
ex·plo·sive (ĭk-splō′sĭv)

https://ahdictionary.com/application/resources/wavs/E0289900.wav



აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Romany
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:12:07 AM
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Good on you for picking up on that - there IS a slight difference.

That's because in the first one the sound is made in isolation i.e. there's nothing before it. So one starts to make the sound with lips closed, tongue tucked away, and a little puff of breath available.

However, in the second instance the plosive comes after another sound. So the mouth is open,the tongue pulled back and the breath has been pushed out as one makes the "ks" sound. The "plosive-ness" doesn't get pushed out as it does when making the sound in isolation or at the beginning of a word.

Try it for your self: say "Expand" and then say "pot"; or "suppose" and then "pat" at normal speech speed - you'll hear that slight difference you mentioned.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:32:29 AM

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Romany wrote:
That's because in the first one the sound is made in isolation i.e. there's nothing before it. So one starts to make the sound with lips closed, tongue tucked away, and a little puff of breath available.

However, in the second instance the plosive comes after another sound.

Sorry, Romany! I didn't make myself clear. I'm asking about the vowel ō. It's the second time that I write plausive in a game of spelling-bee and I'm wondering if it's my fault or his. :)

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Romany
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:42:12 AM
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I'm still not sure what you mean - sorry.

But if you're talking about vowel sounds, keep in mind that it's the vowel-sounds which change - often radically - in different English dialects.

By getting native speakers to say a simple sentence like "The cat sat on the mat" one can tell immediately where they come from and what dialect of English they are speaking, because the "a" sound is the most telling.

The guy speaking is using an American dialect - no idea if there is a "standard" pronunciation in AE as there is in BE; nor whether other Americans can tell from his pronunciation where in the USA he's from.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:52:38 AM

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Romany wrote:
I'm still not sure what you mean - sorry.
But if you're talking about vowel sounds, keep in mind that it's the vowel-sounds which change - often radically - in different English dialects.

But these are two records of the same person and I expect the part plō′sĭv to be pronounced the same way. Yet the ō is different in two words:

Code:
https://ahdictionary.com/application/resources/wavs/P0378500.wav

Code:
https://ahdictionary.com/application/resources/wavs/E0289900.wav

I enclosed the links in the code tags so that you can read them.

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
NKM
Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:03:53 PM

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I've just listened to both words, and I don't hear any difference in the vowel sounds. Both o's sound the same to me — or at least well within the range of the standard (American) pronunciation.

As for Romany's explanation of the loss of aspiration of the p in "explosive", for most native speakers that happens whenever a plosive consonant comes immediately after an s (or, in this case, an x). It doesn't happen (for me) when I say "suppose", unless I pronounce it as "s'pose".

Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:00:25 AM

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NKM wrote:
Both o's sound the same to me — or at least well within the range of the standard (American) pronunciation.

I hear one as o the other as ou. :) Probably it's my imagination.

Thank you.


აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
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