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Daemon
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:00:00 AM
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rive

(verb) Tear or be torn violently.

Synonyms: pull, rend, rip

Usage: As he rose, a flash of lightning, that seemed to rive the remotest heights of heaven, illumined the darkness.
thar
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 2:09:11 AM

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Interesting, how we compartmentalise.

My first thought on reading this was 'I don't know this word in English' - (it only makes me think of a river bank). Then I realise it is the active of rift and riven. But "rive" didn't make the connection.
d'oh!


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rífa
Icelandic

From Old Norse rífa, from Proto-Germanic *rīfaną. Cognate with the English rive, Danish rive, Norwegian rive.

Pronunciation
IPA(key): /'riːva/
Rhymes: -iːva

Verb
rífa (strong verb, third-person singular past indicative reif, third-person plural past indicative rifu, supine rifið)

to rip, tear
Að rífa í sundur.
To rip apart.

to grab or pull at forcefully

Conjugation
rífa — active voice (germynd)
rífast — mediopassive voice (miðmynd)
rifinn — past participle (lýsingarháttur þátíðar)



Quote:
rífa v (acc) ( reif, rifu, rifið)

1. (tæta sundur) tear, rip
2. (fella) tear down
~ hús tear down a house
3. (hrifsa) snatch
~ e-ð úr höndunum á e-m snatch sth out of sby's hands
4. (klóra) scratch
5. (~ ost ofl) grate
6. refl quarrel, fight
7. pp
varan var rifin út the goods were snapped up
8. phrases
~ sig shoot one's mouth off
~ kjaft use foul language
~ e-ð í sig 1) bolt down one's food 2) tear sth apart, criticize sth savagely
~ e-ð niður 1) tear sth down 2) criticize sth harshly
~ e-n upp arouse sby from deep sleep, drag sby out of bed


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How crazy.- I was right about the riverbanks!

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rive (v.)
"tear in pieces, strike asunder," c. 1200, from a Scandinavian source akin to Old Norse rifa "to tear apart" (compare Swedish rifva, Danish rive "scratch, tear"), from PIE root *rei- "to scratch, tear, cut" (see riparian).

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riparian (adj.)
"of or pertaining to river banks," 1849, with -an + Latin riparius "of a river bank," from riparia "shore," later used in reference to the stream flowing between the banks, from ripa "(steep) bank of a river, shore," probably literally "break" (and indicating the drop off from ground level to the stream bed), or else "that which is cut out by the river," from PIE root *rei- "to scratch, tear, cut" (source also of Greek ereipia "ruins," eripne "slope, precipice;" Old Norse rifa "break, to tear apart;" Danish rift "breach," Middle High German rif "riverbank, seashore;" English riven, rift).
KSPavan
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rive
Definition: (verb) Tear or be torn violently.
Synonyms: pull, rend, rip
Usage: As he rose, a flash of lightning, that seemed to rive the remotest heights of heaven, illumined the darkness.
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thar wrote:
My first thought on reading this was 'I don't know this word in English' - (it only makes me think of a river bank).

River bank as in French?

Death on the Rive Nord, by Adrian Magson

The quote about lightning riving the remote heights of heaven comes from:

The Count of Monte Cristo, by Alexandre Dumas

As usual the name of the translator is unknown.

thar wrote:
Then I realise it is the active of rift and riven. But "rive" didn't make the connection.

Is riven used often?

Both rive and riven look like beautiful words to use. :)

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
thar
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:08:48 AM

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Rift is common.
Riven is more poetic, but you would certainly read it commonly and say it occasionally.

Eg
Quote:
.......'s dangerous game will leave Syria riven by sectarian divides | Lina Khatib | Opinion | The Guardian


Quote:
Despite the abusive chants aimed at Van Gaal, 800 Manchester United supporters made their ... take over in the summer rather than walk into a dressing room riven by injuries and low morale.


But 'rive' as an active verb, I have never heard or read.



Yes, it immediately made me think of rive as in French - but I'm more used to rive gauche and rive droit (Paris, Seine, facing downstream) than nord and sud!

Oxford learner's dictionary doesn't even recognise it. It does have riven, but not rive.

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No exact match found for “Rive” in English
Did you mean:
Drive
riven
river
rivet
-ive


If I heard 'rive' without context I would assume reeve (overseer, local law, sheriff [sheriff comes from 'shire reeve'])

If heard as a verb, my first thought would be 'rieve' - raid and steal.

Quote:
rieve in British
(riːv)
verb
archaic
to rob or thieve


If you have ever seen the American sci-fi Firefly, you will know there the rievers are the insane killer raiders - the Scottish borders reinvented in outer space)Whistle
Quote:
"If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing. And, if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order."

That takes rieving to a whole new level. Whistle
Emel Rapchan
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rive
verb
1. To separate or pull apart by force:
rend, rip, run, split, tear.
2. To crack or split into two or more fragments by means of or as a result of force, a blow, or strain:
break, fracture, rift, shatter, shiver, smash, splinter, sunder.
taurine
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:40:04 AM

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For me the verb "rive" works just fine in the example: riven by grief.
I would hesitate to use in the example above any of the words from the range: pull, rend, rip.

J'ai perdu mes amis en Afrique durant la dernière semaine de 2017
coag
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:55:26 PM

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Interesting and useful comments, thar. Thanks for that.

"Rive" had been an unknown word to me. In my first TFD-scan today, I did not make nay associations with the word and I didn't bother reading the thread.

Now, when I think of the word, two its etymological relatives that I had known were "riva"=water front, and the (French) Riviera.

I had known "rift", too. But I associated rift with what I erroneously thought of as "Atlantic rift". I just checked the internet, it's the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, not "rift".

I did a quick Internet search and it seems to me that there is no direct etymological link between "rift" and "ridge".
thar
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:01:07 PM

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Yes, the v change
Quote:
to f is the pattern in making the noun -
Give, gift, drive, drift, thrive, thrift, rive,rift, etc



Ridge is also Germanic, but another source
Eg Icelandic
Quote:

hryggur m (genitive singular hryggjar, nominative plural hryggir)

(anatomy) the spine, the back
]


The Mid-Atlantic Ridge is where two plates are being pulled apart and fresh magma rises - so it makes a ridge. But at the center is a rift - just a small one. (Well, in Iceland, where it is above the surface of the sea, a few parallel ones. Obviously this one is not currently active!





A rift in the middle of the ridge!Whistle


More commonly rifts are where a single continental plate is being pulled apart, and but it is yet a spreading centre with magma filling the gap.

Eg
East African rift.


And that is a dome with a rift in the middle -high ground( which is why there is snow on a mountain near the equator)- it is just a bit too wide to be called a ridge.
coag
Posted: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:31:03 PM

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Thanks again, thar.

Interesting stuff, this East African Rift. If I understand correctly the Wikipedia article, in about 10 million years, a piece of the African continent (Somali Plate) will be separated (by water) from mainland Africa.
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rive

Definition: (verb) Tear or be torn violently.
Synonyms: pull, rend, rip
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