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Google it by yourself OR yourself. (Reflexive pronouns) Options
A cooperator
Posted: Monday, January 8, 2018 7:57:24 PM

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Hi everyone!
AFAIK, "By oneself"("By myself"/"by yourself" etc means 'alone, without copmany', 'without help'.
Google it by yourself
I'm studying English by myself.
Do you need help? ~ No, thanks. I can do it by myself.
I often like to spend time by myself.


However, I see some persons saying, for instance,
You can google it yourself.
Google it yourself.

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Fyfardens
Posted: Monday, January 8, 2018 9:21:07 PM
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Google it by yourself - alone, without company, without help
Google it yourself - don't expect anybody else to do it for you

I speak British English (standard southern, slightly dated).
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Posted: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:43:49 AM

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Yes - "---self" after an imperative (an order or instruction) is sometimes used to stress who should comply.

"Help yourself." ("Yourself" is the object of "help".)
"Tell him to control himself." ("Himself" is the object of "control".)
"Do it yourself!" ("It" is the object of "do". "Yourself" is an intensifier.)
"Get him to do it himself!" ("It" is the object of "do". "Himself" is an intensifier.)

It is different from 'by yourself' - though the "without help" meaning of "by yourself" can be a milder form of the intensifier "yourself".


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Posted: Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:49:52 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Yes - "---self" after an imperative (an order or instruction) is sometimes used to stress who should comply.

"Help yourself." ("Yourself" is the object of "help".)
"Tell him to control himself." ("Himself" is the object of "control".)
"Do it yourself!" ("It" is the object of "do". "Yourself" is an intensifier.)
"Get him to do it himself!" ("It" is the object of "do". "Himself" is an intensifier.)

It is different from 'by yourself' - though the "without help" meaning of "by yourself" can be a milder form of the intensifier "yourself".


Thanks a lot,

Firstly: in declarative sentences, do you think that it will make difference when a reflexive pronoun 'myself', 'yourself', etc. is placed as the object or as a complement?
The reflexive pronoun is placed as the object of a verb where the subject and object are the same person:

I cut myself shaving this morning.
We got out of the water, and dried ourselves.
I sometimes talk to myself.
I practise myself Spoken English.
You practise yourself English.
I am studying myself English.
I'll get myself some tennis.
I'll do myself it.
I myself don't agree. (However, the subject and object here are not the same person. 'myself' is not the object as in the 'I cut myself...')
Talking to oneself is the first sign of madness. (However, the subject and object here are not the same person. 'Oneself' is not the object)

However, we cannot use 'by + reflexive pronoun' when a reflexive pronoun is the object of a verb:
I cut myself shaving this morning.(NOT ... I cut by myself shaving this morning).
We got out of the water, and dried ourselves. (NOT ... We got out of the water, and dried by ourselves).
I sometimes talk to myself. (NOT ... I sometimes talk to by myself).


Secondly: in declarative sentences, it will make difference if we put a reflexive pronoun as the object of a verb or as a subject complement in the end.
I cut myself shaving this morning.
I cut shaving this morning myself.
I practise myself Spoken English.
I practise Spoken English myself.
You practise yourself English.
You practise English yourself.
I am studying myself English.
I am studying English myself.
I'll get myself some tennis.
I'll get some tennis myself.
I'll do myself it.
I'll do it myself



Thirdly: in declarative sentences, if a reflexive pronoun 'myself, himself, etc' or 'by myself, by himself, etc' is a subject complement, then I am still confused about which one is correct to be said "a reflexive pronoun" or "by + a reflexive pronoun". I think 'by + reflexive pronoun' is the correct one. However, Oxford dictionary gave this example "I'll do it myself".

I cut shaving this morning myself.(= ?).
I cut shaving this morning by myself. (= ?).
I practise Spoken English myself. (= ?).
I practise Spoken English by myself. (= ?).
You practise English yourself. (= ?).
You practise English by yourself. (= ?).
I am studying English myself. (= ?).
I am studying English by myself. (= ?).
I'll get some tennis myself.
I'll get some tennis by myself.
I often like to spend time myself. (= ?).
I often like to spend time by myself. (= ?).
I'll do it myself(= If you don't want to do it for me).
I'll do it by myself(= ?).
He'll google it himself(= If you don't want to do it for him).
He'll google it by himself(= ?).


Finally: I am still a little bit confused about 'myself'..etc, and 'by myself',..etc, in the imperative sentences.
But, in the both sentences below, the intended meaning is still the same(That is, If I do it alone without help "by myself", or "If I don't expect anybody else to do it for me". (That is, the final result is I will need to do it without help)


Google it yourself. - don't expect anybody else to do it for you (= if one doesn't google it for you). --- The result is without help
Google it by yourself. - alone, without company, without help (= I google it alone) ----- The result is without help

Do it yourself. (= if one doesn't do it for you) - [The result is 'without help'].
Do it by yourself. (= I do it alone) - [The result is 'without help'].







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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 1:17:31 AM

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Could anyone please reply to me?

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 4:05:50 AM

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Fyfardens gave an excellent answer to you in the very beginning.


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