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Dennis Chen
Posted: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:10:12 PM

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Do you believe that Santa Claus is real or not? Why or why not?
whatson
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Before I consider answering this topical inquiry,
I would like to know the opinion of the players in
the Jazz Band (listed by instrument, if possible).
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I am a lay-about.
Y111
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 2:34:54 AM
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In some sense he is real because he lives in people's minds and influences their behavior. As real as a computer program. Is the Windows OS real or not? It's not material but obviously real. I am now interacting with it. An idea is also real in this sense. It exists.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 5:33:52 AM

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From Newseum.org:

“Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus”

Eight-year-old Virginia O’Hanlon wrote a letter to the editor of New York’s Sun, and the quick response was printed as an unsigned editorial Sept. 21, 1897. The work of veteran newsman Francis Pharcellus Church has since become history’s most reprinted newspaper editorial, appearing in part or whole in dozens of languages in books, movies, and other editorials, and on posters and stamps.



DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
Papa says, ‘If you see it in THE SUN it’s so.’
Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?

VIRGINIA O’HANLON.
115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET.



VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.



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philips daughter
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:50:21 AM

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I believe. Merry Christmas to all. And I hope the magic of Santa will fill your hearts.
almo 1
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 12:39:38 PM
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I believe and I hope Santa Claus defeats Cthulhu.



Litvinenko
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:43:50 PM

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almo 1 wrote:


I believe and I hope Santa Claus defeats Cthulhu.





Cthulhu what?


Could you tell us more about Christianity in Japan? But no, not that crazy/histerical people.

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Litvinenko
Posted: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:45:40 PM

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Okay I googled it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu

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almo 1
Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2017 3:15:08 AM
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Litvinenko wrote:
almo 1 wrote:


I believe and I hope Santa Claus defeats Cthulhu.



Cthulhu what?


Could you tell us more about Christianity in Japan? But no, not that crazy/histerical people.







http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst35562p5_bank-and-jar.aspx

Litvinenko
Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:33:53 AM

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Epiphileon
Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:53:03 AM

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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:

“Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus”...

Thank you JJ don't think I have ever actually read that before, that's great.
BTW Santa drives a school bus!

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!


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Hope123
Posted: Saturday, December 23, 2017 8:27:53 PM

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Merry Christmas, Epi, to you and your family - and all "your kids".

There's been at least one movie about "Yes, Virginia".

Edited - just started to watch the TV recording we made of the Boston Pops Christmas - Robert Morse just excitedly recited "Twas The Night Before Christmas". So proof positive Santa is definitely real. 😀 (Edited again - They are now doing a super medley of songs interjected in "Partridge in a Pear Tree". Innovative and cute. The kids loved Santa when he appeared.)

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:42:09 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
Santa is definitely real.

We haven't seen Santa in Russia. Yes I've heard of St. Nicholas and there's a monastery named after him right in my town:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugresha_Monastery

But he never comes to visit us. Another guy gives us presents on New Year's Eve. And he, being a heathen, has a grand daughter:



აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Litvinenko
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:28:24 AM

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
Santa is definitely real.

We haven't seen Santa in Russia. Yes I've heard of St. Nicholas and there's a monastery named after him right in my town:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugresha_Monastery

But he never comes to visit us. Another guy gives us presents on The New Year's Eve. And he, being a heathen, has a grand daughter:



Looks like a Muslim Santa. Maybe almo1 could help find an image, an Iranian mullah or something. Boo hoo!

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:42:30 AM

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Looks like Old Man Frost.

Ded Moroz
(Russian: Дед Мороз, Ded Moroz [dʲɛt mɐˈros]; Belarusian: Дзед Мароз, Dzyed Maróz; Ukrainian: Дід Мороз, Did Moróz; Russian diminutive Russian: Дедушка Мороз, Dédushka Moróz) is a Slavic fictional character similar to that of Father Christmas. The literal translation is "Old Man Frost", often translated as "Grandfather Frost". Ded Moroz brings presents to children and often delivers them in person on New Year's Eve.

Ded Moroz is accompanied by Snegurochka (Russian: Снегурочка, Snegurochka; Ukrainian: Снігуронька, Snihurónka; "Snow Maiden"), his granddaughter and helper, who wears long silver-blue robes and a furry cap or a snowflake-like crown. She is a unique attribute of Ded Moroz, since similar characters in other cultures don't have a female companion.

Ded Moroz wears a heel-length fur coat, a semi-round fur hat, and valenki on his feet. He has a long white beard. He walks with a long magic staff and sometimes rides a troika. (Wikipedia)


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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 10:19:45 AM

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Sorry Santa doesn't come to Russia, Xap. What a gorgeous picture!

You can even track Santa these days on NORAD for one. Re route him to include Russia? Just make sure to get the correct phone number. Whistle

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/12/23/wheres-santa-one-more-thing-to-ask-alexa.html

:::

"Santa Claus Truthers. Christmas morning, they suggest, is an inside job. Nothing new there. Conspiracy theories of all kinds have a long tradition."
...The older I get, the less skeptical I am about that truth about Santa. His greatest gift, for those who want to receive it, is an opportunity to participate in the spirit of the season by embracing the joy that comes from giving to one another, to make the world a happier place. To pass that spirit of kindness and generosity on to others. To see something magical in the world because you help to create it.


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/23/unearthing-the-truth-behind-santa.html

:::

This is an interesting poem - a real man was on a crusade protesting Santa in 1980 in Toronto...

https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/once-upon-a-city-archives/2017/12/21/torontos-anti-santa-protester-richard-dildy.html

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:51:07 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
You can even track Santa these days on NORAD for one. Re route him to include Russia? Just make sure to get the correct phone number. Whistle

Though we use the Gregorian calendar since 1918 the Russian Orthodox Church still uses the Julian calendar. Because of that we first have New Year as all the other civilized world and then in January we have Christmas which is odd.

But our main media inform us of what you're doing:

https://ria.ru/ny2018_news/20171224/1511611792.html

Quote:
ПВО США и Канады зафиксировали сани Санта-Клауса над Чукоткой

You only need to copy and paste that into Google Translate:

https://translate.google.com/


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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:00:33 PM

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If Santa is real he needs reindeer. Do you know who wrote the song Rudolph? This version has been around on the internet since 2010 at least. It is mostly true. It WAS written by a Canadian man whose wife was dying of cancer. (Canada didn't get universal healthcare till much later in case you are wondering why he lost everything.) I copied it as is from an email from a CDN friend this morning.

https://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/rudolph.asp

A man named Robert L. May, depressed and brokenhearted, stared out
his drafty apartment window into the chilling December night. His
4-year-old daughter Barbara sat on his lap quietly sobbing.
Bob's wife, Evelyn, was dying of cancer. Littlle Barbara couldn't
understand why her mommy could never come home. Barbara looked up
into her dad's eyes and asked, "Why isn't Mommy just like everybody
else's Mommy?"

Bob's jaw tightened and his eyes welled with tears. Her question
brought waves of grief, but also of anger. It had been the story of
Bob's life. Life always had to be different for Bob.
When he was a kid, Bob was often bullied by other boys.  He was too
little at the time to compete in sports. He was often called names
he'd rather not remember. From childhood, Bob was different and
never seemed to fit in.

Bob, after completing college, married his loving wife Evelyn and
was grateful to get a job as a copywriter at the Timothy Eaton
Department Store, in Toronto, during the Great Depression. Then he
was blessed with his little girl. But it was all short-lived.
Evelyn's bout with cancer stripped them of all their savings and now
Bob and his daughter were forced to live in a two-room apartment in
the poorer area of Toronto. Evelyn died just days before
Christmas in 1938.

Bob struggled to give hope to his child, for whom he couldn't even
afford to buy a Christmas gift.  But if he couldn't buy a gift,
he was determined a make one - a storybook!
Bob had created an animal character in his own mind and told the
animal's story to little Barbara to give her comfort and hope.
Again and again, Bob told the story, embellishing it more with each
telling.

Who was the character? What was the story all about?

The story Bob May created was his own autobiography in fable form.
The character he created was a misfit outcast like he was. The name
of the character? A little reindeer named Rudolph, with a big shiny
nose.

Bob finished the book just in time to give it to his little girl on
 Christmas Day.

But the story doesn't end there.

The general manager of the T. Eaton Store caught wind of the little
storybook and offered Bob May a nominal fee to purchase the rights
to print the book. They went on to print, "Rudolph the Red-Nosed
Reindeer" and distribute it to children visiting Santa Claus in
their stores.

By 1946, Eaton's had printed and distributed more than six million
copies of Rudolph. That same year, a major publisher wanted to
purchase   the rights from Eaton's to print an updated version of the
book.

In an unprecedented gesture of kindness, the CEO of Eaton's returned
all  rights back to Bob May. The book became a best seller.

Many toy and marketing deals followed and Bob May, now remarried with
a growing family, became wealthy from the story he created to comfort
his grieving daughter. But the story doesn't end there either.
Bob's brother-in-law, Johnny Marks, made a song adaptation to Rudolph.
Though the song was turned down by such popular vocalists as Bing
Crosby and Dinah Shore, it was recorded by the singing cowboy, Gene
 Autry.

"Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" was released in 1949 and became a
phenomenal success, selling more records than any other Christmas
song, with the exception of   "White   Christmas ."

The gift of love that Bob May created for his daughter so long ago
kept on returning back to bless him again and again. And Bob May
learned the lesson, just like his dear friend Rudolph, that being
different isn't so bad. In fact, being different can be a blessing.

A true Canadian story, can you believe this?   eh?



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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:08:32 PM

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Xap, right over Chukotka. Wow! He was there? (I saw your post as I posted the Rudolph one but you are gone now.)

Thank you for giving us some info about Russian traditions that I probably would never have known otherwise!

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almo 1
Posted: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:04:36 PM
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Epiphileon wrote:
Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:

“Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus”...

Thank you JJ don't think I have ever actually read that before, that's great.
BTW Santa drives a school bus!

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!








i feel deja vu






Maryam Dad
Posted: Monday, December 25, 2017 5:44:52 AM

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Old, but still funny.

I've always had my doubts about Santa Claus, for a start does he really live in the North Pole?, let's look at the evidence, .....

1. Wears red and white.
2. Has loads of electrical goods that nobody can trace.
3. Drives an unlicensed vehicle.
4. Only does one days work a year.
5. Good at breaking into houses.

Lapland my arse! He's a Scouser!

"And the sun and the moon are brought together --" (Al Qiyamah: 9)
Hope123
Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 6:34:52 AM

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Hey Maryam Dad. Good to see you are still on the forum.

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almo 1
Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:01:16 AM
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You didn't notice.


Maryam Dad is here.




nebra
Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:40:47 PM

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I'm late to the party (bah humbug!), but I clicked on this topic because I read a fun ethnographic story in the NY Times (accompanied by a video), "Santa Is a Psychedelic Mushroom." It traces the origins of Santa to the shamanic rituals of the Sami people in Lapland:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/opinion/santa-christmas-mushrooms.html

Ever heard of this, Jyrkkä Jätkä?

My replies to grammar questions are based on American English (AE), of which I'm a native speaker.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 6:42:37 AM

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Yes, nebra,
we are familiar with Amanita muscaria. Our forests are full of them.
And I know the story about the ability of flying with the reindeers.
It's not only Sami people in Lapland, the Finns had their shamans, too.

I, myself, use only beer, though.


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