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Maggie Q
Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:40:39 AM
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A toy twisted in the fire. == A toy was twisted in the fire.

Question: Do they mean the same thing? If not, what's the difference between them?
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 4:04:02 AM

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The first example is (actually a noun and an adjectival phrase but together they serve as) a noun phrase which might function as the subject or the object of a sentence. We are waiting to find out what happened to that thing or what it did maybe cause.

The second example is a complete sentence. It is a statement of a fact and can stand alone.

What they have in common is that they speak about a toy that was damaged in a fire, but the grammatical function is different.

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SivaGaneshMaharaja
Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 4:07:08 AM

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Use active voice for formal messages and essays.
papo_308
Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 5:07:23 AM
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In my opinion, twist can be also intransitive and so the first phrase can also be understood as a complete sentence. The difference is that in the first sentence, toy is the subject, i.e. the toy twisted by itself, just as a dancer twists. The second sentence says that the toy was twisted by some agent, fire or heat or whatever may cause it to twist.
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 3:16:01 PM

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papo wrote
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the toy twisted by itself, just as a dancer twists


"Yeah, right", as our American friends might say. Think

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Parpar1836
Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 5:44:43 PM
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The emerged scorched and twisted.
The toy caught in the fire was twisted.
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