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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:46:45 PM

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The lake has a length of 11.2 km and a maximum width of 1.7 km (considering a bay).

I expected 'the length of' What is that I do not understand?

There's only one hit for:

the lake has the length


აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Romany
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The lake has more than one dimension. It has a length of X and a breadth/width of Y.

One lake, one length.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 2:15:26 PM

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Romany wrote:

The lake has more than one dimension. It has a length of X and a breadth/width of Y.

One lake, one length.

Exactly! 3 dimensions but just one length. :(

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
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The length of the lake is 11.2 km. = The lake has a length of 11.2 km.

Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 11:43:28 PM

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NKM wrote:
The length of the lake is 11.2 km. = The lake has a length of 11.2 km.

I do not feel comfortable with that. :) But I'll try.

Thanks to both of you.

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
NKM wrote:
The length of the lake is 11.2 km. = The lake has a length of 11.2 km.

I do not feel comfortable with that. :) But I'll try.

Thanks to both of you.

It is similar to:

The length of the lake is enormous.
The lake has an enormous length.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 12:08:09 AM

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Audiendus wrote:
The length of the lake is enormous.
The lake has an enormous length.

I'm starting to understand. Thank you.

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
thar
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:48:51 AM

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Try it another way.

The lake has a length of 2km.

Fine.
It has a length, which is 2km.


The lake has the length of ...what?
The length of ten double decker buses?

The particular length of something spefic.

Except you don't say that.
The lake is the length of ten double-decker buses.
The lake is the size of Wales.

That is specific.

Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:32:42 AM

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thar wrote:
The lake has the length of ...what?
The length of ten double decker buses?

No just one duodecimally articulated. :)
I thought is was as simple as "the length of 10 miles" but I guess you are hinting at a difference between these two ofs. Pray what is that difference?

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
coag
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 2:51:37 PM

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You have a point, Харбин. The use of an indefinite article in your example is not logical at all to this ESL speaker. I hope this will make you feel a little bit better.

The length of the lake, in your example, is specified, it's definite, it's 2km. The use of an indefinite article with a definite length seems contradictory to me.

Here are some of my examples. My emphasis added.

2. From January to February, the government paid a total of P101.6 billion in principal, including P55.2 billion in domestic debt and P46.4 billion in foreign loans. (Business Inquirer)

3. While financial institutions provide advice to their clients, a financial institution can never be certain of the total amount of your TFSA contributions because you may have TFSAs at more than one financial institution. (Canadian Bankers Association)

To me, the total in 2 is defined better, it's more definite, than in 3. "Defined better", I mean in mathematical sense. The total in 2 is specified by a number, it's as definite as it could be. The use of of the definite article seems, to me, more justified in 2 than in 3.

Example 2 uses "a total" and example 3 uses "the total amount", but I would say that the addition of "amount" doesn't matter as far as the use of the articles is concerned.

4. Water boils at a temperature of 100°C.
5. The boiling point of water is 100°C.

What on earth is more definite that those 100°C, the boiling point of water, yet an indefinite article is used in 4.

The way I explained these examples to myself was, it's the way it's used in English, but I've never digested it.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:11:56 PM

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coag wrote:
4. Water boils at a temperature of 100°C.

What on earth is more definite that those 100°C, the boiling point of water, yet an indefinite article is used in 4.

This looks fine to me. It's these that I do not understand:

Water has a boiling temperature of 100°C
She has a head of blonde hair

:)



აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
NKM
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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
coag wrote:
4. Water boils at a temperature of 100°C.

What on earth is more definite that those 100°C, the boiling point of water, yet an indefinite article is used in 4.

This looks fine to me. It's these that I do not understand:

Water has a boiling temperature of 100°C
She has a head of blonde hair

:)

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Every liquid has a particular boiling temperature (at a specific pressure). Under standard conditions, water boils at a temperature of 100° C; thus we say it has a boiling point of 100°, or its boiling point is 100°, or the boiling point of water is 100°.

Every object has some particular mass. We say that a particular object has a mass of 5 kg, or its mass is 5 kg, or the mass of that object is 5 kg.

That's just the way these constructions work in English.



That's not the case with "a head of hair". Anyone who is not bald has a head of hair, but that's not a matter of measurable units or quantities. Rather, it's an idiom, and not generally used in its unmodified form. We might speak of a beautiful (or impressive/luxuriant/full/sparse/shaggy) head of hair, but not likely just a "head of hair".

(I used to have a full head of brown hair; now my hair is turning gray, and its coverage of my scalp is slowly receding.)

Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:05:58 PM

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NKM wrote:
That's not the case with "a head of hair". Anyone who is not bald has a head of hair, but that's not a matter of measurable units or quantities. Rather, it's an idiom, and not generally used in its unmodified form.

Ok! Probably I need to get used to all of that.
Thank you!

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:08:29 PM

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The lake has a length of 11.2 km and a maximum width of 1.7 km.

The lake is 11.2 km long and a maximum of 1.7 km wide.

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
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