The Free Dictionary  
mailing list For webmasters
Welcome Guest Forum Search | Active Topics | Members

Graphic on media bias, left and right Options
Andrew Schultz
Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:38:26 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 7/7/2015
Posts: 409
Neurons: 1,000,062
Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
I don't know how many people have seen this, but this is a very interesting graphic:

https://twitter.com/vlotero/status/928120425200066560

http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/the-chart-version-3-0-what-exactly-are-we-reading/

I'm a longtime member on Dailykos and was disappointed to see it ranked so low. But there are a few people who peddle conspiracy theories there, and it is a bad look, even if it is interesting to read how other site members debunk said theories. So Ms Otero does place it where the lowest common denominator (conspiracy theory peddlers) wind up.

(By the way, the main reason I moved away from Dailykos was that the taboola ads freeze up firefox.)

The usual liberal targets do very poorly indeed: Redstate, Breitbart, the blaze, fox news. And while I'd disagree that the Washington Times is that close to the center, it's useful to see something in the shape of a bell curve, to see where the average discourse is. But there seems to be a lot of room for improvement on the left, too.

And of course, left or right, the general rule of "flashy multimedia usually means exaggeration" is always in effect. Videos you can click on to activate, good. Videos that go on by default, bad.

I'm curious if anyone else has had experience with websites that soured as time goes on. I remember democraticunderground was fun until they started getting into conspiracy theories about things like the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster back in 2003.

100th person on TFD to 1 million neurons.
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:13:11 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,406
Neurons: 42,792
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Andrew, this website has DailyKos as left bias. The website is organized in list form rather than in chart form.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/


https://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst176763_Check-Your-Favorite-Media-s-Bias.aspx


Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. Albert Schweitzer
Andrew Schultz
Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:24:58 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 7/7/2015
Posts: 409
Neurons: 1,000,062
Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
Oops, Hope--with your post I remembered why I posted this in the first place!

I now remember seeing your topic a few weeks ago. I meant to tack this post on, but I suspect it got lost in the silly arguments. Then I figured we should re-boot the board with something a bit less divisive.

So, yeah, I really did originally intend to post in your topic, but I got sidetracked.

I like the idea of having a list, but it's also good to have a curve. It's a shame we can't have stuff in the upper left and right. I have to admit I like being able to see what is bunched in the bad corners so we are not just saying "I should read stuff on the other end of the spectrum" but we also know how useful it will be.

100th person on TFD to 1 million neurons.
progpen
Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:01:36 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 10/2/2015
Posts: 1,581
Neurons: 218,774
Location: Princeton, Minnesota, United States
I like the graphics as well, but the lists are more encompassing.

Be kind but be fierce. You are needed now more than ever before. Take up the mantel of change. For this is your time.
Hope123
Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 10:49:43 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,406
Neurons: 42,792
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
No problem, Andrew. I just wanted people to see both and although not as complete, a chart is easier to see at a glance.

I've started checking Reuters for world news where the bits of US news listed is only the most important.

That was my idea too - to try to get some positive info out there on the Forum. Check out Thar's new topic today - neat.

Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. Albert Schweitzer
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:57:51 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 9/12/2011
Posts: 27,484
Neurons: 153,389
Location: Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
I don't read (or watch) enough of these media to form an opinion really - but I have a couple of comments.

That chart is American.
Concerning American politics, the BBC is possibly non-partisan, as shown.
However, concerning UK news, the BBC is highly biased.

The chart extremes are also American.
In the UK, Conservative and Liberal are not opposites.
The current UK government is a coalition of Conservative and Liberal.
The opposite of Conservative is more like Socialist. (In my opinion, neither fully conservative nor fully socialist would make a good political system for very long, which is why we tend to switch back and forth.)

The Guardian (shown as "very slightly Liberal" on the chart) is extremely left-wing Socialist. 80% of its readership (which reflects in the opinions printed) are Labour Party supporters.

The Daily Mail is also very left-wing, though the chart shows it as bordering on unfairly conservative.

I like the positioning of the Enquirer - conspiracy theories on both sides.



Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
progpen
Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:11:51 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 10/2/2015
Posts: 1,581
Neurons: 218,774
Location: Princeton, Minnesota, United States
Hi Drago. I was wondering how someone across the pond would see this. It's good to get that perspective and you bring up a great point that has been discussed before. News sources tend to be most reliable outside of their home countries. BBC outside of the UK, The Washington Post outside the US, Deutsche Welle outside of Germany, etc.

Be kind but be fierce. You are needed now more than ever before. Take up the mantel of change. For this is your time.
almo 1
Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:36:34 AM
Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 10/16/2016
Posts: 1,139
Neurons: 5,157
Location: Fussa, Tokyo, Japan
progpen wrote:
Hi Drago. I was wondering how someone across the pond would see this. It's good to get that perspective and you bring up a great point that has been discussed before. News sources tend to be most reliable outside of their home countries. BBC outside of the UK, The Washington Post outside the US, Deutsche Welle outside of Germany, etc.










It depends on what kind of correspondent they send.

There are incompetent correspondents and they don't
really know what's going on in the field, then they tend to
get biased information from local leftists(or so-called liberals)
because usually leftists are eager to approach and feed their story to those correspondents.


will
Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:52:33 AM
Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 6/29/2009
Posts: 1,072
Neurons: 4,318
Drag0nspeaker wrote:
That chart is American.
Concerning American politics, the BBC is possibly non-partisan, as shown.
However, concerning UK news, the BBC is highly biased.

It’s easy to find bias, if one looks hard enough.

I don’t know in which direction you are claiming the BBC is highly biased; apparently they get plenty of complaints both ways. Personally I’m astounded at how much coverage and air time UKIP have received – and continue to receive – as a right-wing pressure group with very little political support (actually next to zero now). That said, I wouldn’t say the BBC was highly biased though, I think they tend to follow the mood of public opinion and do a pretty balanced job.

Drag0nspeaker wrote:
In the UK, Conservative and Liberal are not opposites.
The current UK government is a coalition of Conservative and Liberal.

What? The UK currently has a Conservative minority government with a “confidence and supply” agreement with the Democratic Unionist Party – pretty much the political wing of the Old Testament (mainly the fire and brimstone parts).

The Conservative Liberal coalition ended in 2015

Drag0nspeaker wrote:
The Guardian (shown as "very slightly Liberal" on the chart) is extremely left-wing Socialist. 80% of its readership (which reflects in the opinions printed) are Labour Party supporters.

Again, kinda subjective. You may, perhaps, be right that 80% of Guardian readers are Labour Party supporters, but it’s not so clear that the Labour Party represent true Socialist values.

Drag0nspeaker wrote:
The Daily Mail is also very left-wing, though the chart shows it as bordering on unfairly conservative.

Again. What?
I can’t believe anyone would consider the Daily Mail to be even as balanced as centre-right. It most certainly is not very left-wing.



.
will
Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:54:57 AM
Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 6/29/2009
Posts: 1,072
Neurons: 4,318
It's worth remembering that media outlets -- with the possible exception of the BBC that is publicly funded -- are not under any obligation to be balanced. You pay your money and take your choice.



.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:11:33 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 9/12/2011
Posts: 27,484
Neurons: 153,389
Location: Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom
My apologies - a quick post which I didn't re-read, and so was badly wrong.

The Daily Mail is right-wing, don't know what I was thinking there . . .

My comment about the BBC was not that they are biased toward either left or right, but they have a strong bias on various policies.
During the time of the Scottish referendum, the BBC published about 80% scare-stories about what would happen should Scotland leave the Union.
They even had different stories in the two countries:
English BBC News - Great increases in revenues from Scottish oil.
Scottish BBC News - Scottish oil supplies failing and will run out soon.

It was similar during the run-up to the "Brexit" referendum.


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Users browsing this topic
Guest


Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Main Forum RSS : RSS
Forum Terms and Guidelines. Copyright © 2008-2018 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.