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Would indicate simple futurity Options
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:14:40 AM

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Hello!
I know that would has different usages, for requests, conditionals, Habitual actions in the past, Talking about the future in the past, Willingness in the past, Being less direct....

which usages of 'would' is used in the sentence below?


The simple present in the clause following "hope" ("I hope my colleagues expand on this") would indicate simple futurity.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:10:27 AM

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Hi taaraa.

In my opinion, it does two things (or could be considered to do either one of them).

Firstly, it makes the sentence less direct.

The simple present in the clause following "hope" would indicate simple futurity.
The simple present in the clause following "hope" indicates simple futurity.


Secondly, it could be considered to be an implied conditional:
If someone were to use the simple present, it would indicate simple futurity.

Overall, it's effect (for me) is to move the statement away from being absolutely definite and to make it 'possible/probable/hypothetical'.

"The simple present in the clause following "hope" indicates simple futurity" says that that is the sentence and you have no choice.

"The simple present in the clause following "hope" would indicate simple futurity" gives me the idea that one may use other tenses for that verb.


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:16:31 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Hi taaraa.

In my opinion, it does two things (or could be considered to do either one of them).

Firstly, it makes the sentence less direct.

The simple present in the clause following "hope" would indicate simple futurity.
The simple present in the clause following "hope" indicates simple futurity.


Secondly, it could be considered to be an implied conditional:
If someone were to use the simple present, it would indicate simple futurity.

Hi Drag0nspeaker!
Thanks a lot.
Doesn't it refer to 'future in the past, please?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:22:41 AM

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taaraa wrote:
Doesn't it refer to 'future in the past, please?


I don't really see any 'past' there.
It's more of an 'always' thing.

Whenever you use the simple present in that sentence, it indicates simple futurity.

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Tara2
Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:24:40 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
taaraa wrote:
Doesn't it refer to 'future in the past, please?


I don't really see any 'past' there.
It's more of an 'always' thing.

Whenever you use the simple present in that sentence, it indicates simple futurity.

Thanks a lot, Drag0nspeaker!
I appreciate your help.
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