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Tara2
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:35:53 PM

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Hi
'will' has different usages, for certainty in the future, making predictions, conditional sentences, intentions and decisions, willingness and offers, requests and invitations, promises, commands. Why 'will' in the sentence below refer to 'certainty in the future'? because there isn't any certainty and it is only a question?
[talking to a child] Will you be 5 in September?
Reference: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/modals-and-modality/will.

georgieporgie
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:14:07 PM
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taaraa wrote:
Hi
'will' has different usages, for certainty in the future, making predictions, conditional sentences, intentions and decisions, willingness and offers, requests and invitations, promises, commands. Why 'will' in the sentence below refer to 'certainty in the future'? because there isn't any certainty and it is only a question?
[talking to a child] Will you be 5 in September?
Reference: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/modals-and-modality/will.


The child is being asked "Will you have reached the age of five in September?" Certainty is implied because the child knows his/her birthdate.
Tara2
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:18:40 PM

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georgieporgie wrote:
taaraa wrote:
Hi
'will' has different usages, for certainty in the future, making predictions, conditional sentences, intentions and decisions, willingness and offers, requests and invitations, promises, commands. Why 'will' in the sentence below refer to 'certainty in the future'? because there isn't any certainty and it is only a question?
[talking to a child] Will you be 5 in September?
Reference: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/modals-and-modality/will.


The child is being asked "Will you have reached the age of five in September?" Certainty is implied because the child knows his/her birthdate.

But the person who asked the question doesn't certain. the child should not be certain, the person should be certain that s/he don't know and asked the child until be certain.
georgieporgie
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:35:25 PM
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But the person who asked the question doesn't certain. Right. That's why the person is asking the question.

the child should not be certain, the person should be certain that s/he don't know and asked the child until be certain. The child very well might be certain. Don't over think the issue. This has nothing to do with "who knows what." The question is a factual one: does the child believe he/she will be five in September.
Tara2
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:55:30 PM

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georgieporgie wrote:
But the person who asked the question doesn't certain. Right. That's why the person is asking the question.

the child should not be certain, the person should be certain that s/he don't know and asked the child until be certain. The child very well might be certain. Don't over think the issue. This has nothing to do with "who knows what." The question is a factual one: does the child believe he/she will be five in September.

I think I got it. I appreciate your help.
thar
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:56:40 PM

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A question is just another form of a statement.


I think you are confused by it being a question. So go to the statement form.


I will be five in September.
(Or by September, but the two possible meanings cloud the issue)


A certainty about the future.

The way to get any 'statement' as a response is to invert it and form a question, using exactly the same words. Just change the personal pro noun.
Will you be five in September?
Yes. [I will.]


Tara2
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 4:22:37 PM

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thar wrote:
A question is just another form of a statement.


I think you are confused by it being a question. So go to the statement form.


I will be five in September.
(Or by September, but the two possible meanings cloud the issue)


A certainty about the future.

The way to get any 'statement' as a response is to invert it and form a question, using exactly the same words. Just change the personal pro noun.
Will you be five in September?
Yes. [I will.]



Someone who stated the sentence maybe certain??
tunaafi
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 4:44:45 PM

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If you were certain, you would not need to ask a question.

The questioner is questioning the certainty of the child's being five in September - is it a fact that you will be five in September>
thar
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 4:56:15 PM

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taaraa wrote:
thar wrote:
A question is just another form of a statement.


I think you are confused by it being a question. So go to the statement form.


I will be five in September.
(Or by September, but the two possible meanings cloud the issue)


A certainty about the future.

The way to get any 'statement' as a response is to invert it and form a question, using exactly the same words. Just change the personal pro noun.
Will you be five in September?
Yes. [I will.]



Someone who stated the sentence maybe certain??



Yes. The child nows its own birthday. It knows for certain when it will be five.

They know the answer, with certainty.
You use the same verb to ask the question.
Tara2
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:04:22 PM

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tunaafi wrote:

If you were certain, you would not need to ask a question.

The questioner is questioning the certainty of the child's being five in September - is it a fact that you will be five in September>

Thank you so much. I understand. I appreciate your help.
Tara2
Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 5:05:03 PM

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thar wrote:
taaraa wrote:
thar wrote:
A question is just another form of a statement.


I think you are confused by it being a question. So go to the statement form.


I will be five in September.
(Or by September, but the two possible meanings cloud the issue)


A certainty about the future.

The way to get any 'statement' as a response is to invert it and form a question, using exactly the same words. Just change the personal pro noun.
Will you be five in September?
Yes. [I will.]



Someone who stated the sentence maybe certain??



Yes. The child nows its own birthday. It knows for certain when it will be five.

They know the answer, with certainty.
You use the same verb to ask the question.

Thank you so much. I understand. I appreciate your help.
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