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shass
Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 4:38:16 PM
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"Ahh...the English language.

The many idiosyncrasies and pronunciations are wonderful to behold but also infuriatingly confusing.

You might be completely unaware of this, but there are many rules to do with this English language that you abide by every day without realising.

One of them has to do with the order in which you place adjectives, before a noun.

In order to correctly order your nouns they have to go obey the following:

Opinion - size - age - shape - colour - origin - material - purpose - noun



Bet you didn't know that, did you?

Journalist Matthew Anderson, discovered this rule in the book The Elements of Eloquence: How to Turn the Perfect English Phrase written by Mark Forsyth in 2013."

Funnily enough it seems to work!

It was a 'Lovely, small, Victorian, round, brown, staffordshire pottery mixing bowl...

What a nice old, green, jade, model dragon.

Get them in the wrong order and it sounds like babble..

All just for fun.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 5:01:01 PM

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Welcome Shass, this is an intresting post, but it's more about grammar than vocabulary.

I lack the imagination for a witty signature.
shass
Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 5:13:35 PM
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True. Is it possible to move it?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 7:00:47 PM

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Hi shass.

It's possible, if you ask one of the 'admins' to move it.
However, now, it's not really vital.

It's true - English speakers (who learn the language naturally as little children) never learn this 'rule'.
It is similar with many "grammar rules" - to native speakers, they are not rules, they are just 'the natural way to speak' or 'the phrasing which sounds right'.

"What a model jade, nice, green, old dragon" just "sounds wrong".

Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 8:47:52 PM

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The Farlex grammar lessons, accessible thru TFD, include this rule.
palapaguy
Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 11:01:13 PM

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You might be completely unaware of this, but there are many rules to do with this English language that you abide by every day without realising.

One of them has to do with the order in which you place adjectives, before a noun.

In order to correctly order your nouns they have to go obey the following:

Opinion - size - age - shape - colour - origin - material - purpose - noun

Bet you didn't know that, did you?

Many here didn't know that, simply because they're not rules. They're matters of composition; that is, the art of effectively expressing oneself as distinguished from "obeying" some unwritten rules. The ordering of adjectives and other things, depends upon what the messenger wishes to convey and how honestly he can convey it.
srirr
Posted: Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:30:25 AM

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To be honest, I have read these rules many times. But, I could never remember this. :) When it comes to use, I just rely on my intuition.



We are responsible for what we are, and whatever we wish ourselves to be, we have the power to make ourselves. ~ Swami Vivekanand
TheParser
Posted: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:34:38 AM
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Thank you, Shass, for sharing this information with us.

I have found it VERY helpful.

Have a nice day.

Romany
Posted: Thursday, November 09, 2017 12:01:22 PM
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Also, for those who want to learn "natural" English, this is one of the usages you *should* learn. Not because it's a "rule", but because it is one of the ways in which it's easy to tell a 2nd language speaker from a native speaker.

So even those native speakers who know very little to nothing about grammatical conventions, will say: "No, we wouldn't say it that way. It just sounds wrong."

In a Real Life situation: during WW2 spies, posing as citizens in different countries, were at times unmasked on just such mistakes: the language they spoke, though almost-perfect, just didn't "sound" right!
shass
Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 5:03:00 AM
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Palapaquy
"Many here didn't know that, simply because they're not rules. " Calm yourself, it was just a fun quote from an English news site meant for English speakers who would not know any grammar rules if they landed on their heads. It was for fun.
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