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azz
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:14:59 AM
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Can one say
a. Joyce is a writer I haven't read any books by.
b. Joyce is a writer who I haven't read any books by.
c. Joyce is a writer by whom I haven't read any books by.

d. Joyce is a writer I have read one book by.
e. Joyce is a writer who I have read one book by.
f. Joyce is a writer by whom I have read one book.

?

Many thanks.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:46:49 AM

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Some of them would maybe be considered 'correct' grammatically.
However, none of them sound 'normal'.

(a), (d) and (f) sound 'not too bad'. (b) and (e) sound very odd.
(c) is definitely incorrect.

I haven't read any books by Joyce, the writer. (I think "the writer" is rather redundant as only writers write books.)
I've only read one book by Joyce.

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azz
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:01:06 AM
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Thank you so much DragOnspeaker.

I messed up when posting the question!

(c) was meant to be

c. Joyce is a writer by whom I haven't read any books.


The 'by' at the end was a 'typo' of sorts.

Are these two better?
1. Joyce is a writer none of whose books I have read.
2. Joyce is a writer one of whose books I have read.


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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:15:40 AM

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They are both correct, and are better than (a) to (f), but they are awkward and long compared to the simple statements:
I have not read any books by Joyce.
I've read one book by Joyce.


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Audiendus
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:07:19 AM
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
(a), (d) and (f) sound 'not too bad'. (b) and (e) sound very odd.
(c) is definitely incorrect.

I don't like (f) – or the revised (c). "By whom I have(n't) read" makes it look as if "by whom" is a means of reading.
leonAzul
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:36:55 PM

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Step to it:

I haven't read any books written by James Joyce.

(Yet I have, and I love them!)

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