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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:24:05 PM

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Ok. Here's the verb 'to put'. :)
Suppose I want to create a noun to mean 'someone who puts'. Is it 'puter' or 'putter'?



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Romany
Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:41:07 PM
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None of the above. S/he's just someone who puts something somewhere.

A "putter" (the word) is a kind of golf club that's used to try to sink the ball into the hole in a game of golf.
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:42:56 PM

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putter1
ˈpʌtə/
noun
noun: putter; plural noun: putters

1.
a golf club designed for use in putting, typically with a flat-faced mallet-like head.
2.
a golfer considered in terms of their skill at putting.
"you'll need to be a good putter to break par" TFD

No other meaning.IMO

I lost to Romany by 1 min and 49 secs.

I am a layman.
thar
Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:48:19 PM

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If you did, it would be a putter - you have to double the consonant, or the vowel sound is changed.
Like any word ending in a single consonant.
Bat - batter, get- getter, fit- fitter, gut-gutter

Of course, 'put' is an irregular sound. But it is still a short sound. - ut, not -ute.
So the reader would have to know what you meant, that you had invented the word. And would just add an -er. Pronounce it "put+er". But it would be a 'made-up-word, a conscious wordplay, a joke.

[Having to know the meaning to know how to pronounce a word is not an issue. It happens all the time. You deduce the pronunciation from the meaning.]

But a puter would be a long vowel (eg computer) - a pooter/puta Whistle
A puter would be someone who putes.
Like a computer was original!y someone who computes.
A commuter is someone who commutes.

If there is no -te in the verb, you can't have -ter in the noun. You need to double the consonant.


And of course a putter is a golf club you use to putt - that is the real short vowel sound.
Ant there is a verb to putter about - again, that short 'uh' sound.
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:54:26 PM

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Romany wrote:
A "putter" (the word) is a kind of golf club that's used to try to sink the ball into the hole in a game of golf.

I know of that. But this word is pronounced differently. I wanted [pʊtər] and I found it:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/putter

Quote:
putter (pʊtə)
n
1. a person who puts: the putter of a question.
2. (Athletics (Track & Field)) a person who puts the shot

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

Anyway thanks to both of you.



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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:59:28 PM

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thar wrote:
Like any word ending in a single consonant.
Bat - batter, get- getter, fit- fitter, gut-gutter

loot?

thar wrote:
And of course a putter is a golf club you use to putt - that is the real short vowel sound.
Ant there is a verb to putter about - again, that short 'uh' sound.

The American Heritage gives yet another meaning:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/putter

Quote:
put·ter (pŭt′ər)
v.intr. put·tered, put·ter·ing, put·ters
1. To make a repeated or intermittent sound like that of a small gasoline engine.
2. To move while making such a sound.
[From putt-putt.]

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.



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thar
Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 1:13:21 PM

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Loot is a double vowel - it doesn't change with an added e.

Loot, looter.
Greet, greeter

But single vowels do change, if there is an e added after a single co.nsonant
Then you have to double it to preserve the short vowel.
Lot, lottery.
Get, getter


The putter or put-put is an onomatopoetic word.
To me, moving silently is not the important part. It is low-energy, so not that loud - but that is not the important point!

And of course the shot putt - putting the shot - is the same pronunciation as that slightly longer 'put'. It's a Scottish word. That is just a spelling it became standardised with, I guess.
putt (v.)
1510, Scottish, "to push, shove," a special use and pronunciation of put (v.).
Scots is interesting in that it has words preserved from earlier Anglo-Saxon English. Less Norman French influence, more dialectal preservation.
put (v.)
late Old English *putian, implied in putung "instigation, an urging,"

Whereas the golfing term is of Middle Dutch origin, namely a loan from the verb putten, to put into a hole (hence the spelling).
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 1:28:12 PM

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Thank you, thar!



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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05:08 PM

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The only case in which "putter" preserves the vowel sound of "put" is, to the best of my knowledge, the compound noun "shot-putter".

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