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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:08:16 AM

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...the premises, [the] appurtenances thereof and [the] facilities therein...

Do I need to use both articles, only one of them (which?) or no articles at all?



აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:16:09 AM
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Yes, you need both articles. It's a list: it explains what one is talking about: the premises, the appurtenances and the facilities.

But also, this looks like legal language? Only another lawyer can change the wording in a legal document - and only then with the permission of the Court or Judge. This is where English has to be very, very strict so that there is absolutely *no* room for misunderstanding, inaccuracy, or misrepresentation. And definitely no adding, subtracting or changing of the wording.
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:34:49 AM

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Hmm, strangely enough, I was sure thereof and theirin make the definite article redundant (just as possessive pronouns do), as they define the object(s) anyway..

...the premises and facilities therein... Meaning all fecilities therein.
"The facilities therein"... don't they call for a narrower definition of which particular facilities you're talking about?


Anyway, I must have been wrong. Good to learn new things by day.
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:57:10 AM
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Kirill - as I'm sure you're aware, 'thereof' and 'therein' are archaic English words for 'there' and 'that' or 'inside/in'.

"The Articles in that document need to be researched."(The Articles therein need to be researched).
"The house, and all the building and sheds there, will be sold." "The house, and all the buildings and sheds thereof, will be sold."

So no, the archaic prepositions don't affect the determiners at all.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 6:05:28 AM

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Romany wrote:
Yes, you need both articles. It's a list: it explains what one is talking about: the premises, the appurtenances and the facilities.

Thank you very much!



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Romany
Posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 6:09:56 AM
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No worries. Glad to help.
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