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Venezuela's Maduro: "I feel proud of this so-called sanction, mister imperialist Donald Trump!" Options
Yarin
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Congratulations, Yarin. You have a new dick-tater to adulate.
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Very sad and insane thing for a man that's single-handedly (mostly) bankrupted what used to be one of the richest countries in the world: prime example of socialism in the most extreme--where the few (his cronies) have it well while the entire population starves and can't get necessities from real shortages and runaway inflation. Brick wall
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One more gigantic task for the CIA: to overthrow a legitimate president
without 'meddling in elections' the way those nasty Russians do.
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The US criminal regime try to deceive people by talking about human rights and democracy but the fact is totally clear: it's about imperialism not humanitarianism.
Just remember one example: The US role in the rise of Pinochet’s dictatorship in Chile.
See also Trump dancing with saudi king:



So don't even trust the US criminal regime. The US is only motivated by self-interest. To do it the US is ready to distroy countries and kill innocent people without batting an eyelid.

If Maduro himself acts according to the US government interest you would see Trump dancing with him gladly, and saying that he is one of the most great leaders.

See also:

Senior US official reduced to very awkward silence when asked about Saudi Arabia's attitude to democracy
Did you see him? he was just saying a..a..a....e...e..e and o...o..o. because he found interests in it.
Yarin
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He looks really mad, racist and imperialist.
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'We Are Chavistas Until Death': Soccer Legend Maradona

"Viva the true Venezuelans, not those interested and involved with the political right," Maradona said.
The legendary Argentine soccer player Diego Maradona showed his support for the Venezuelan government of Nicolas Maduro in its "fight against imperialism," on social media Monday.

We are chavistas until death. And when Maduro orders, I am dressed as a soldier for a free Venezuela, to fight against the imperialism and those who want to take our flags, which is the most sacred thing we have.
Viva Chávez!!!
Viva Maduro!!!
Long live the revolution!!!
Viva the true Venezuelans, not those interested and involved with the political right.
Diego and Rocio.



http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/We-Are-Chavistas-Until-Death-Soccer-Legend-Maradona--20170808-0008.html
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President Trump revealed yesterday that a military option exists if the situation in "Little Venice" continues to deteriorate.

Hopefully, President Maduro will listen to and follow the heartfelt advice of his American older brother, Donald.

(President Xi has likewise advised the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to lower the rhetoric. Hopefully, Marshal Kim will listen to his Chinese older brother, Jinping.)
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TheParser wrote:
President Trump revealed yesterday that a military option exists if the situation in "Little Venice" continues to deteriorate.

Hopefully, President Maduro will listen to and follow the heartfelt advice of his American older brother, Donald.

(President Xi has likewise advised the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to lower the rhetoric. Hopefully, Marshal Kim will listen to his Chinese older brother, Jinping.)
The UN Security Council exists as well. Hopefully brother Donald will realise that it's too grave a responsibility to decide the fate of other nations however small they may be.
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What do sane people do when they are caught in mass hysteria? How do you simultaneously hush the mad men in their rush to meet the nihilistic mad men who want to kill you? On one hand, I don't want to be anyone's "big brother." I do believe in being my brothers keeper. As an American I can't refute what yarin says about us. Is there more to it than what he says? I believe so. I don't agree with him but, I don't feel disrespect. Parser your attitude is disrectful. Can't you disagree without being so snarky? It doesn't further understanding.
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P.D. -

Now don't you go taking the Fox-line, girl!! Shame on you

This is a grown-up scenario - world leaders are NOT related.Dancing Trump's a crabby, half-mental old man - not anyone's "Big Brother". And America's arrogance in considering itself the leader of the "Free World" has caused world-wide ill-feeling for the past two decades.

But that's politics: one smiles and smiles for the good of one's country and world peace; and one doesn't air personal feeling because they don't have (or should not have) any place in the political scene. And, no matter how much they get up one's nose, one supports one's allies and doesn't go about treating them oafishly and alienating them.

But what happens when you don't have trained politicians playing this game - but a venal, immoral and unethical hegemony? Exactly this!! i.e. We're all actually considering WW3, and America is ripped apart and is starting to implode as it did in Charlottsville on the weekend.

To a large sector of the world this situation now is hubris: and it adds a whole other layer to the way the world is thinking. What Trump and Friends have done is to strip America naked and parade her in front of the world with all her warts, moles and cellulite on display. While, at the same time, trashing all her former beaux, so that even they back off.

It's going to take a long, long time to erase that memory from the world. And even if she gets dressed up her up in silks and satins again, she will have lost her glamour: everyone now knows what she has underneath!

So unless those who resist the fall of their country into a Banana Republic continue to be heard and seen the world is going to lose all respect - not just of the government - but of the ordinary, everyday citizens. It may not actually be WW3, but there is a war: against truth, civility, ethics and honour. So just keep on doing what you're doing: speaking up and speaking out. To give up now can only lead to terror, war and the kind of violence these people revel in.
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philips daughter wrote:
What do sane people do when they are caught in mass hysteria? How do you simultaneously hush the mad men in their rush to meet the nihilistic mad men who want to kill you?


First is to find out who is telling you that the other person wants to kill you. Then, why would they be telling you this? If you find that it is the mad men telling you that the nihilistic mad men want to kill you, how much value do you put in that information? I see more danger from within the country than from outside. Not from nukes or bombs, but from those who are accelerating the downfall of the US as the global financial and political superpower.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. ― Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
progpen
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And I see "mad men" and "nihilistic mad men" as applying to both dingbats in charge. They are pretty much interchangeable.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. ― Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Hope123
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Trump is getting what he was after - distraction by war mongering with NK and Venezuela and now the riots in Charlottesville. There have been many riots in the past in the US but this one seems to be the worst ever for two reasons - it is why WWII was fought, and their president refused to call out the white supremacists. The Toronto Star's front page huge headline was "America's State of Rage".

This is the best article I saw in all the news summarizing and analyzing what just happened there over the weekend.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/08/12/the-many-sides-of-injustice-in-charlottesville-riot-paradkar.html

I don't know, Philip's daughter. Where do you go and what do you do when this happens in your country and it is being pulled apart with no light in the tunnel. Just keep on living, doing what you can as one person to make your views known, and work towards changes in 2018 in any way you can, I guess. They say the Democratic party is split - they need to mend the rift and get down to business.

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progpen wrote:
And I see "mad men" and "nihilistic mad men" as applying to both dingbats in charge. They are pretty much interchangeable.


As well as those two leaders I see other madmen. If you look at the video on the above link by Paradkar, a Toronto journalist, where militants march up a street, you will see what chilled me to the bone. Those men and the 4 women who look as if they were with them would be in jail so fast up here, yet they can wander with their "machine" guns with no fear in their whiteness. If they were of any color but white I bet they'd be in jail too in America.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-charlottesville-virginia-white-supremacists-racism-far-right-rally-a7890711.html

From the above link -

"This was clarified beyond the slightest confusion yesterday. If you aren’t now nauseated by this president, if the idea of him does not yet cause you a jag of species shame, you are allying yourself with those with who marched in Virginia with Hitler quotes on their backs chanting Hail Trump."


Dare I hope that the reason Trump supporters on TFD have gone on holidays from the Forum is because events have given them pause as to their support for Trump? Their continous trashing of Leftists as being only those who caused all the riots is now brought into the open forcefully showing it always was a falsehood to blame only one group.

When Maduro called Trump an imperialist, he was actually being nice. Edited - yet I see Trump's approval has gone up in the polls after his sabre rattling with NK (see other threads). I wonder if it will go down after this riot?


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philips daughter wrote:
As an American I can't refute what yarin says about us. Is there more to it than what he says? I believe so. I don't agree with him but, I don't feel disrespect.


This is an open-minded view. We should recognize our country is not perfect. But then, it's what the Soviets used on the US, e.g. "The US has done bad things, therefore the US is as bad as Putin/Assad." This is flat out wrong, but...it's easy to say, ok, as an American, my view may be biased, and I should be open to others' views.

The difference is that the leaders in the US are (in theory) much more likely to listen to their constituents. Mayors and governors are doing so. Even Republican senators and representatives are taking notice and thinking critically. Trump is not. He and his alt-right pals act like everyone has to agree with them. He wants to be Putin and/or Assad. But he is not close yet.

Oh, and the judiciary part of government is still independent enough to be launching an investigation. In Russia and Syria? Not so much.

The picture Yarin posted of Trump smirking is, in my opinion, an expert move for sowing confusion and unhappiness and argument: it can annoy Americans on the left and right. But I don't think it's anything original.

Still, we need to learn how to deal with that sort of nonsense quickly.

I particularly enjoy the idiom section of this fine website.
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I would ask that you goggle operation condor or just put in CIA assasination Latin American. Look at Guatemala history, Hatti, all those people we now want to build a wall against. How can you defend these things? We haven't interfered in not one place that we weren't planning to reap, whether bananas or oil. Do you know about the Iran-Contra affair? If other countries hate us they have reason. But just saying what about Russia is one of Russia's tricks to say about us. Confession comes before repentance.
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Andrew and philips daughter have both brought up excellent points that decidedly pull this issue out of the black and white and into the gray.

The US has done some unbelievably terrible things in its short history, and it continues to do terrible things today. That is not the sum total of the US though, so the best we can do is put the countries and their leaders in question up side by side and weigh the good to the bad. Andrew has done this and believes (and I agree) that comparatively the US has more notches on the good side than on the bad. He also seems to believe that Putin and Assad have more notches on the bad side (and I agree there as well).

I see the good to bad balance for the US and its leadership slipping to the bad side and see that the slipping has accelerated recently. But the US is still doing some great things, albeit mostly at the state and local level.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. ― Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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Gabriel82 wrote:
prime example of socialism in the most extreme--where the few (his cronies) have it well while the entire population starves

I don't think you realise the total contradiction in your statement Gabriel.
You have an absolute dichotomy in your sentence.

socialism n
1. (Economics) an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.

Collins English Dictionary

It is impossible to have a rich few and a poor population in a socialism.
It is possible in a dictatorship pretending to be a socialism (as are most of the smaller -quote- "socialist Republics" on the planet) or an oligarchy pretending to be a socialism (like the larger -quote- "Socialist Republics").

If there is a 'privileged few', there is no socialism.


Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
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Yes, it does get murky trying to push past all that. But, we must. This is what other countries are talking about. And European friends, no we aren't as stupid as Jimmy Kemmel jokes. But, we don't talk about it openly lest someone question our loyalty. In college they were always saying, "Love it or leave it." As if criticizing is actually treason and warrants loss of home. And being part Native that really bites. My great grandfather was on the way The Trail of Tears. White people have a lot confession they need to do before they can be straightforward. That's what makes you seem so stupid and nobody pities you. You still think you deserve privilege.

And I am afraid. Not only is my heritage mixed but my children have even more twists. They don't worry and say how long our ancestory is but, when they see their last names it makes them suspicious. Seeing white supremacist on the prowl here where I live isn't getting so far fetched. There is a group who live in a gated community and they have "patrols" made of ex-servicemen. In 6 months!

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Andrew Schultz wrote:

This is an open-minded view. We should recognize our country is not perfect. But then, it's what the Soviets used on the US, e.g. "The US has done bad things, therefore the US is as bad as Putin/Assad." This is flat out wrong, but...it's easy to say, ok, as an American, my view may be biased, and I should be open to others' views.

The difference is that the leaders in the US are (in theory) much more likely to listen to their constituents. Mayors and governors are doing so. Even Republican senators and representatives are taking notice and thinking critically. Trump is not. He and his alt-right pals act like everyone has to agree with them. He wants to be Putin and/or Assad. But he is not close yet.

Oh, and the judiciary part of government is still independent enough to be launching an investigation. In Russia and Syria? Not so much.

The picture Yarin posted of Trump smirking is, in my opinion, an expert move for sowing confusion and unhappiness and argument: it can annoy Americans on the left and right. But I don't think it's anything original.

Still, we need to learn how to deal with that sort of nonsense quickly.



Look at such nonsense: America is a democracy...America is not perfect but not like Russia and Syria.....US presidents are not like Assad and Putin....the leaders in the US are (in theory) much more likely to listen to their constituents. America has an independent judiciary able to launch an investigation about it’s crimes.... soooooo stop criticizing the US crimes.
As if I was talking, all that times, about which country is a democracy and which country is not. And as if I was calling for the soviet regime to return to the world or as if I was saying communism is better than democracy , or dictatorship is better than democracy...

The question is not about Assad. It’s about Syria and the crimes the US and its allies and proxies committed there to just overthrow Assad ( and that not because Assad is a dictator and not because Syria is not a democracy, but just because Assad/ Syria is not one of those leaders/ countries who act according to the us will and for that reason I gave the example of Saudi Arabia which is an "utmost democracy" and even so it is one of the best ally and friend of the US regime )
The question is that the US regime interfere in other countries, even with wars, and try to chose for them which is not better for them and at any cost.

It's about imperialism and it's wars.


progpen wrote:

The US has done some unbelievably terrible things in its short history, and it continues to do terrible things today. That is not the sum total of the US though, so the best we can do is put the countries and their leaders in question up side by side and weigh the good to the bad. Andrew has done this and believes (and I agree) that comparatively the US has more notches on the good side than on the bad. He also seems to believe that Putin and Assad have more notches on the bad side (and I agree there as well).

I see the good to bad balance for the US and its leadership slipping to the bad side and see that the slipping has accelerated recently. But the US is still doing some great things, albeit mostly at the state and local level.


The same as above. It's not which is better than the other it's about the US crimes that MUST stop. Though, I do believe that comparatively Assad and Putin have more notches on the good side as they are not who founded Al kaida and ISIS and many terrorist organisations, made wars, created troubles everywhere and supported the israeli occupation at any cost.

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Progpen, I think we agree on things.

As for international affairs: unfortunately, the US can't sit back and watch. Doing nothing is taking a stand in its own way. That means tough decisions. Decisions that will turn out wrong. And you can't go condemning everyone either, even people that deserve censure. Diplomacy is, unfortunately, necessary. This results in bad players escaping what they deserve.

It needs to be said. I won't be convincing Yarin, but then, Yarin is providing a smokescreen. It's interesting that, if Yarin is so opposed to imperialism, there's no mention about Maduro and Putin negotiating a loan to Venezuela with oil fields as collateral. This is, well, kind of big. With Yarin, it's constant criticism of the USA. It always comes back to the USA. It goes beyond being open minded and seeing our bias to saying we're wrong, or our government is and has been wrong on issues.

Economic imperialism is an ugly thing, no doubt. And governments' powers can be abused, and rather easily. Good government is fragile. Even well meaning people cannot fix everything. And it's not enough to say, well, it could be much worse. We all know this, and often, we don't know what to do.

I don't know if Yarin understands or wants to understand. But for those of us who are sometimes very disappointed in our government sometimes, it's possible to be so--and still recognize that it does a lot of things well, and worry the current regime is changing that, and know we have to do better. But propaganda is propaganda, and I'll call it such, and we need to recognize that.

I particularly enjoy the idiom section of this fine website.
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Andrew Schultz wrote

It's interesting that, if Yarin is so opposed to imperialism, there's no mention about Maduro and Putin negotiating a loan to Venezuela with oil fields as collateral. This is, well, kind of big. With Yarin, it's constant criticism of the USA.


Maybe this is the real cause the US wanted to overthrow Maduro, not democracy.
I don't think Russia use often the criminal ways of threatening other countries with wars and sanctions or with overthrowing regimes if they don't act according to its will.
And besides, I think the US which invades us every now then and destroy our countries, NOT Russia. BTW, I owe Russia a "thank you" for helping Syria to defeat the US terrorist proxies which have a diabolical plan for Syria. The Russian Federation now remains the only protector of peace on our planet. The only superpower capable to stand up to the bully (the u.s.). Thank you Russia!


Andrew Schultz wrote

Yarin is providing a smokescreen.... But propaganda is propaganda, and I'll call it such, and we need to recognize that.



This is a way to make people shut up. And there is no bigger propaganda such as of the US. I witnessed it myself about Syria.

Andrew Schultz wrote

Decisions that will turn out wrong. And you can't go condemning everyone either, even people that deserve censure.


No wonder, and people should just accept to be the US guinea pig.


Andrew Schultz wrote

I don't know if Yarin understands or wants to understand.


Be sure that I understand very well why hands and teeth of the US are full of blood every single day.


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Yarin, I'm sorry you are so pro-Russia. If this is your honest view, you are making a big mistake. But if you are posting anti-bullying graphics, keep in mind that another form of bullying is exaggerating others' faults and weaknesses and not turning from that.

I'm not sure you realize that many of the images you wrote could apply to you or the sources you quote. No, flooding a message board with images and threads is not important in the overall scheme of things, and it's not goig to kill anyone, but it is wrong. You've even insulted and mocked the White Helmets, who looked to provide nonpartisan humanitarian aid at considerable risk to themselves. And I think that's very bad and hard to forget, and I don't believe you ever apologized for that. But--look at your 1. 2. 3. graphic. Maybe take time to consider how people could consider that is what Putin did in Syria and does to his own citizens. Then you might not be so thankful for him.

I can't do much about this, or about your periodic picture floods. I doubt you've read RJ Palacio's books. I follow her on twitter and I think she'd be upset to know someone is using her images to defend Putin. Keep in mind, though. You have told us there are things the mainstream media is ignoring. You've never really shown that you have blind spots, too. Perhaps Syria is Russia's guinea pig, and Putin's help is an illusion.

And don't kid yourself. Putin has a pro-Russian party in Ukraine.

Also, Crimea says hi. So do Viktor Yanukovich and Paul Manafort.

I'm not interested in a long, drawn-out argument, but I think it's important to address these issues, in case others stumble across the thread and see, no, what you're doing isn't new, and no, we shouldn't feel blackmailed into changing our world view, even though we recognize things go wrong, and the US will make mistakes. And then we can move on and not be nagged by flashy what-ifs.

I particularly enjoy the idiom section of this fine website.
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If you're trying
to open
someone's mind
Consider
whether or not
They want their minds to be opened

After all
One cannot open a door
that's locked from the inside.

(Edited - Andrew, nevertheless, it is good to answer for others to read and see reason.)




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Andrew Schultz wrote:

And don't kid yourself. Putin has a pro-Russian party in Ukraine.

Also, Crimea says hi. So do Viktor Yanukovich and Paul Manafort.


Not sure I see your point here. What does Manafort have to do with Putin?

Yanukovich was overthrown by the pro-US/EU party in Ukraine, not by Putin. The Maidan riot was supported by the West, not by Russia. And it's recognized by many in Ukraine now that the new government is even more corrupt than that of Yanukovich was.

Yes, Crimea said Hi to Russia and keeps saying it. They had long been pro-Russia and wanted to rejoin it. It's no secret over here and in Ukraine. The Ukrainian costitution had been broken by the coup (or revolution if you prefer) in Kiev anyway, so they took the opportunity.
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Andrew Schultz wrote:

You've even insulted and mocked the White Helmets, who looked to provide nonpartisan humanitarian aid at considerable risk to themselves. And I think that's very bad and hard to forget, and I don't believe you ever apologized for that.


WHO ARE THE ‘WHITE HELMETS?’ DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN SYRIA?

WHO ARE THE ‘WHITE HELMETS?’ DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN SYRIA?

What’s even more appalling is that the group has been caught faking and staging footage. The following video from Russia Today explores examples of the White Helmets faking rescue scenarios and recording them. One of these was actually staged for a “mannequin challenge,” but the group later took down the video and apologized for their actions. This begs the question: How much of the footage from the documentary was staged as well?

‘Error of judgment’: White Helmets apologize for bizarre mannequin challenge video


In fact, North American MSM has actually falsified data and reported that Russia bombed a hospital in Syria, when in reality that hospital still stands. The fake ‘al Quds hospital‘ news story was reported by CNN and PBS, stating that Russian airstrikes took down the hospital in April 2015, killing innocent civilians — none of which is true. In fact, Russia released satellite imagery proving that the hospital was still standing later in the year. The following video is of Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett discussing the White Helmets hoax and fake MSM news reports on the Syrian war:

"I return to Washington, DC with even greater resolve to end our illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government. I call upon Congress and the new Administration to answer the pleas of the Syrian people immediately and support the Stop Arming Terrorists Act. We must stop directly and indirectly supporting terrorists—directly by providing weapons, training and logistical support to rebel groups affiliated with al-Qaeda and ISIS; and indirectly through Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, and Turkey, who, in turn, support these terrorist groups. We must end our war to overthrow the Syrian government and focus our attention on defeating al-Qaeda and ISIS."


Ordered Censored by Trump: Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos

Swedish Doctors For Human Rights (swedhr.org) analysed videos, the rescue after an alleged attack by Syrian government forces. The doctors found that the videos were counterfeit, where even Arabic stage directions were overheard, and that the alleged “Rescue” in actuality is a murder. On first analysis, it looked as though the doctors working on the child assumed he was already dead.
However, after broader investigation, our team ascertained that the boy was unconscious from an overdose of opiates. The video shows the child receiving injections in his chest, perhaps in the area of the heart and was eventually killed while a clearly fake adrenaline injection was administered.


Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murder in Syria for Fake Gas Attack Videos

Ordered Censored by Trump: Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos
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For goodness sake, Yarin. Check your sources before you believe all this propaganda crap from debunked sources like "Veteran's Today" which is a neo Nazi anti-Semitic site. (Is that why you like it?) They do not refer to the American military. It is called a bullsh**t website.

They are reprehensible - using the names of celebrities to further their cause.

The Fake Gas Attack video is being read by a bot.

“Collective Evolution” Gets Banned From Reddit – Debunking Denialism
Feb 23, 2017 - “Collective Evolution” is a woo website that promotes many conspiracy theories, particularly about aliens, alien technology and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). It is click bait.

etc.



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Yarin
Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:47:51 PM
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Hope123 wrote:

If you're trying
to open
someone's mind
Consider
whether or not
They want their minds to be opened

After all
One cannot open a door
that's locked from the inside.


Don't be like those who say: think like us or I will accuse you of being not open minded.
Or like those who say: You're either with us, or against us
Open minded people don't impose their beliefs on others. They accept that we all have a different perspective on things without judgement.

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The White Helmets organization has been the target of a disinformation campaign by Assad supporters and Russia sponsored TV station (RT), including claims of links with terrorist activities.

159 White Helmets have been killed, giving their lives to help others. So stop spreading this crap, Yarin.

Edited after reading last post to me -

I have never ever seen one scrap of evidence that you are willing to even consider any other viewpoint but your own, Yarin.

I keep an open mind, am curious, and am willing to learn, even change my mind.

The big difference is that I check and use credible sources to get the truth and use facts to evaluate my opinions.

I think both Russia and the US have good points and bad points. No country is all one or the other as you make them out to be.

I would love to know what personal axe you have to grind with the US.


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Yarin
Posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:02:24 PM
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Hope123 wrote:

So stop spreading this crap, Yarin.

Now you begin to use “crap”. This is a way to make people suspicious about those informations and terrorize them to not make any effort to understand the truth the US want to hide.
The real crap and propaganda are really in the US media.

Hope123 wrote:

I think both Russia and the US have good points and bad points. No country is all one or the other as you make them out to be.

It's not about which have good points and bad points. It's about the US crimes that must stop.

Hope123 wrote:

I would love to know what personal axe you have to grind with the US.


The US killed many many many many innocent people by its wars and destroyed our countries.

Hope123 wrote:

I have never ever seen one scrap of evidence that you are willing to even consider any other viewpoint but your own, Yarin.


It just seems so to you. We have here evidence seen and touched. I don't need to any theoretical evidence.
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I anwered and deleted - the discussion is not going to go anywhere and it is well off topic of Maduro anyhow.

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A Syrian National Coalition Member Withdraws and Get Back to the Syrian Regime

(Qassion) - A member of the Syrian National Coalition «Mohammed Bassam al-Malek» announced this morning, his withdrawal from the coalition and return to the Syrian regime through a handwritten paper.

Al-Malek said in his statement of withdrawal: "To our beloved country in Syria ... After seven years of living outside the country, I learned the size of the American and Western conspiracy, which aims to divide Syria and destroy the Syrian Arab Army, to serve the American Zionist project. And the people and the rejection of all subdivision projects of federalism and self-management, and adherence to the sovereignty of the Syrian state on the entire Syrian territory and support the Syrian Arab army against terrorism and terrorist groups ».

https://www.qasioun.net/en/news/show/89767/A_Syrian_National_Coalition_Member_Withdraws_and_Get_Back_to_the_Syrian_Regime
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Yarin wrote:

It's not about which have good points and bad points. It's about the US crimes that must stop.


How? What solutions are you offering?
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