Hi Dreamy. You do not seem to have had many responses. Were you seeking them, or just posting to share your experience (sort of take it or leave it [I mean that in the nicest way)) and hoping others might gain something from it?

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"The voice of the majority is no proof of justice." - Schiller

Since conversation is the 'spoken exchange of thoughts, opinions and feelings... by one definition... then it is plain you do not Dreamy have 'conversations with God. Perhaps you mean something else.

Yes, you can find out how he feels by consulting that which he has had committed to word, or by that which he has designed, but to claim he answers back by voice is frankly a little mad so you obviously do not mean that.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

percivalpecksniff wrote:

Since conversation is the 'spoken exchange of thoughts, opinions and feelings... by one definition... then it is plain you do not Dreamy have 'conversations with God. Perhaps you mean something else.

Yes, you can find out how he feels by consulting that which he has had committed to word, or by that which he has designed, but to claim he answers back by voice is frankly a little mad so you obviously do not mean that.

Wow, Percy, you really are a sceptic. Nevermind. I respect your opinion, but I do on many occasions audibly hear God's awesome voice, as have many people through history.

The word conversation has an interesting background:

[from Old French converser, from Latin conversārī to keep company with, from conversāre to turn constantly, from vertere to turn]

There is an algorithm involved in the way God both speaks to His own and hears from them.

I like what Psalm 94:9 says: "He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? He that formed the eye, shall He not see?"

Also Psalm 139 is worth considering.

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Job 33:15 "In a dream, in a vision of the night, When deep sleep falls upon men, In slumberings upon the bed;" Theology 101 "If He doesn't know everything then He isn't God."

Ok Intel I will exchange mad for bonkers... or perhaps to be kinder

delusional... hearing voices is not exactly a sign of a sound mind but rather of a mind that perhaps

needs genuine help.


Since Dreamy is looking at it from the perspective of professed Christianity then it is of note that

there are only three recorded instances of God’s voice being spoken to humans. They are: At Jesus

Baptism… the Transfiguration… and just prior to the 33 C.E. Passover in answer to Jesus’ request that

God glorify himself.

Hearing the Word of God’ in the Biblical sense almost always referred to discerning his purpose, or

being inspired by him to write or prophesy. The Bible writers then wrote in the own style what God‘s

Spirit moved them to record. They acted as secretaries.


Dreamy said: In my personal conversations with God I have learnt that He is a good listener. I speak with Him about everything.

Of course He already knows everything, but He delights in speaking with me nevertheless.

I find the best time for our conversations is early in the morning when I've just woken up and don't feel like getting out of bed.

When I'm up and about working at labourious tasks like tidying up a messy garden, or processing a year's accounting figures, I quite regularly consult with God about various aspects of my work and life in general.

Judging from some of the discussions on this forum, my experience of God is radically different from that of many of you.

Frankly I find that more than a little delusional... especially the comment that his experience is

radically different... ei superior to... others as he cosies up to God and God speaks to him on a

regular basis through the medium of one to one conversations.


As to the opinions or otherwise of psychiatrists well I have never placed much weight upon them. I

think one should be wary with regard to them since as a body they need to get their house in order.

What with being discredited over pushing pills to children and having one of the highest suicide

rates of any profession they hardly recommend themselves to others.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

One thing I can certainly agree to in Dreamy's post is that God "is a good listener."

She never interrupts or contradicts me; He never gives me strange advice like "pray without ceasing", and They never tell me "Despise not prophesyings".

I respect people who are deeply rooted in their faith - and live by it - but I have never liked missionaries who try to impose their narrow world-view on others.

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"Before I speak, I have something important to say."Groucho Marx

Exodus 3:2

New International Version (NIV)
Wanderer. Sorry to take issue with you but in this case you are not correct. God used angels who were said to speak for him as the verse below shows.

2 'There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.'



Exodus 3:2

New King James Version (NKJV)


2 'And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed.'


If you re-examine each point you raised you will see it was not God speaking directly but an angek acting as a messenger.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

But it clearly states Wanderer that not god but the angel of the Lord appeared to him. Angel means messenger.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

Yes...God spoke through an angel but not as you previously stated directly... correct.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

The unsettling aspect of conversations with the divine is that beside run-of-the-mill murders and other misdeeds, in too many cases the perpetrators claim that it was God who told them to do it.

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Brain-washing starts in the cradle. - Arthur Koestler

No doubt there are many people who "claim" that God told them to do some horrendous things, but the Bilble says that visions and prophecies will cease, so it can't be God speaking to them. Some people say they are possessed by demons as well. But, Paul says that even if he or an angel were to tell you something that is contradictory to Jesus teachings not to believe it. I think some people are mentally sick, some people are easily led and are willing to take a man's word, some people twist the scriptures to fit their own opinions, but God is always good.

This passage seems to have been overlooked.



BTW, I too am also given visions from God as well as dreams, from time to time.

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Job 33:15 "In a dream, in a vision of the night, When deep sleep falls upon men, In slumberings upon the bed;" Theology 101 "If He doesn't know everything then He isn't God."

Dreamy wrote;
Wow, Percy, you really are a sceptic. Nevermind. I respect your opinion, but I do on many occasions audibly hear God's awesome voice, as have many people through history.
Now this in Dreamy's last post;
BTW, I too am also given visions from God as well as dreams, from time to time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wanderer wrote;
but the Bible says that visions and prophecies will cease, so it can't be God speaking to them.

Would the people in the Blue and Red corners please come to the centre of the ring to settle their differences.

I realise that Wanderer will use the argument that I have used only a portion of the post, but, I have posted the relevant part.

I will now return to my ringside seat.

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Never fear intel, I am but an observer who noted two contradictory posts.
It is not I who has to justify or validate what I posted.
I to, am of the firm opinion that one should practise what they preach, so, I will retain my ringside seat and stoutly resist any torrent that threatens to sweep me away....to who knows where?

Should I get out my scuba gear, or maybe a fireproof suit?

I think your opinion is a very good summary of what damage the misuse of the Scriptures can create.

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Glen said in "The Stand":



"Whenever something overtly paranormal occurs," Glen said, "the only explanation that really fits well and holds its interior logic is the theological one. That's why psychics and religion have always gone hand in hand,
right up to your modern-day faith-healers."


Harold was grumbling, but Glen went on anyway.


"My own gut feeling is that everyone's psychic . . . and it's so ingrained a part of us that we very rarely notice it. The talent may be largely preventative, and that keeps it from being noticed, too."


"Why?" I asked.


"Because it's a negative factor, Fran. Have any of you ever read James D. L. Staunton's 1958 study of train and airplane crashes? It was originally published in a sociology journal, but the tabloid newspapers rake it up every now and again."


We all shook our heads.


"You ought to," he said. "James Staunton was what my students of twenty years ago would have called `a real good head'-a mild-mannered clinical sociologist who studied the occult as a kind of hobby. He wrote any number of articles on the combined subjects before going over to the other side to do some first-handresearch."


Harold snorted, but Stu and Mark were grinning. I fear I was, too.


"So tell us about the planes and trains," Peri sez.


"Well, Staunton got the stats on over fifty plane crashes since 1925 and over two hundred train crashes since 1900. He fed all the data into a computer.
Basically, he was correlating three factors: those present on any such conveyance that met with disaster, those killed, and the capacity of the vehicle."


"Don't see what he was trying to prove," Stu said.


"To see that, you have to understand that he fed a second series of figures into the computer-this time an equal number of planes and trains which didn't meet with disaster."


Mark nodded. "A control group and an experimental group. That seems solid enough."


"What he found was simple enough, but staggering in its implications. It's a shame one has to stagger through sixteen tables to get at the underlying statistical fact."


"What fact?" I asked.


"Full planes and trains rarely crash," Glen said.


"Oh fucking BULLSHIT!" Harold just about screams.


"Not at all," Glen sez calmly. "That was Staunton's theory, and the computer bore him out. In cases where planes or trains crash, the vehicles are running at 61 % capacity, as regards passenger loads. In cases where they don't, the vehicles are running at 76% capacity. That's a difference of 15% over a large computer run, and that sort of across-the-board deviation is significant.

Staunton points out that, statistically speaking, a 3% deviation would be food for thought, and he's right. It's an anomaly the size of Texas. Staunton's deduction was that people know which planes and trains are going to crash . . .
that they are unconsciously predicting the future.


"Your Aunt Sally gets a bad stomachache just before Flight 61 takes off from Chicago bound for San Diego: And when the plane crashes in the Nevada desert, everyone says, `Oh Aunt Sally, that bellyache was really the grace of God.' But until James Staunton came along, no one had realized that there were really thirty people with bellyaches . . . or headaches . . .
or just that funny feeling you get in your legs when your body is trying to tell your head that something is getting ready to go way off-course."


"I just can't believe that," Harold sez, shaking his head rather woefully.


"Well, you know," Glen said, "about a week after I finished the Staunton article for the first time, a Majestic Airlines jet crashed at Logan Airport. It killed everyone on board. Well, I called the Majestic office at Logan after things had settled down a bit. I told them I was a reporter from the Manchester Union-Leader-a small lie in a good cause. I said we were getting a sidebar on airline crashes together and asked if they could tell me how many no-shows there were on that flight. The man sounded kind of surprised, because he said the airline personnel had been talking about that. The number was sixteen. Sixteen no-shows.

I asked him what the average was on 747 flights from Denver to Boston, and he said it was three."


"Three," Perion sez in a marveling kind of way.


"Right. But the guy went further. He said they'd also had fifteen
cancellations, and the average number is eight. So, although the headlines after the fact screamed LOGAN AIR CRASH KILLS 94, it could just as well have read 31 AVOID DEATH IN LOGAN AIRPORT DISASTER.


Well . . . there was a lot more talk about psychic stuff, but it wandered pretty far afield from the subject of our dreams and whether or not they come from the Big Righteous in the sky. One thing that did come up (this was after Harold had wandered away in utter disgust) was Stu asking Glen, "If we're all so
psychic, then how come we don't know when a loved one has just died or that our house just blew away in a tornado, or something?"


"There are cases of exactly that sort of thing," Glen said, "but I will admit they are nowhere near as common . . . or as easy to prove with the aid of a computer. It's an interesting point. I have a theory-"


(Doesn't he always, diary?)


"--that has to do with evolution. You know, once men--or their progenitors--had tails and hair all over their bodies, and much sharper senses than they do now. Why don't we have them anymore? Quick, Stu! This is your chance to go to the head of the class, mortarboard and all."


"Why, for the same reason people don't wear goggles and dusters when they drive anymore, I guess. Sometimes you outgrow a thing. It gets to a point where you don't need it anymore."

The Case of Kingfisher's Driver.
I have heard a few similar stories, but I don't recall the people who "miracuosly" avoided/escaped a disaster claimed it was God's voice that warned them. It would be beneficial if one could ask this driver whether the voice was that of a man or woman.
I am inclined to believe that she just heard unusual noises that alerted her, and her mind formulated the words "(better) get out".

I also noticed the contrary claims of the two posts, but unfortunately I had to leave for work. Now I am back and can remind all that two day's ago it was the birthday of St. Clare of Assisi. TFD notes among others:
"Pope Pius XII designated her as the patron saint of television in 1958, on the basis that when she was too ill to attend Mass, she had reportedly been able to see and hear it on the wall of her room."
What puzzles me is this: Was it a "true" God-inspired vision or just her imagination? Too bad we cannot ask Pius XII.

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Brain-washing starts in the cradle. - Arthur Koestler

Is this really true? Or your username says it all. Maybe you're just dreaming Dreamy. But if this is really true then you are one lucky person to have a conversation with God. Now, what would the Atheist think about this? wooohhhhhh....

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You can do anything, but not everything. —David Allen

Dreamy, you'll be the next saint. lol

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You can do anything, but not everything. —David Allen