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Jigneshbharati
Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:06:27 AM
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I see the Coach's role akin to 'holding a mirror' to drive self-improvement in the team's interest.

http://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/95337/always-respected-role-boundaries-between-captain-and-coach-anil-kumble-on-virat-kohli-india-cricket

How do we pronounce the word-coach's ? I am especially confused by the ending-ch's.
thar
Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:06:37 AM

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Adding a possessive -'s is the same as when you try to add -s to form a plural - either you can add it in the same syllable, or you can't.

If in doubt, look at how the plural is formed

eg
an easy one:
boy - plural boys, possessive boy's.

your problem one:
coach - plural coaches, possessive coach's.

You can see from the -es plural ending that you have to add an additional syllable. It is written with an e but is basically a short izz sound. Use exactly the same pronunciation for the possessive.

Of course that doesn't help if it is uncountable, but the same applies - if you can't add an s in the same syllable, then neither can anybody else - so you just add an extra -izz.


(edited because I realised it is an izz sound, not a schwa.)

Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 5:48:36 AM

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thar wrote:
if you can't add an s in the same syllable, then neither can anybody else - so you just add an extra -izz.

If I can add it and pronounce with ease then may I say [kouchs]?

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:16:51 AM

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He - we English speakers (most of us) DO have trouble with Щ and similar sounds like "chs".

However, feel free to pronounce it as you like - so long as it is understandable!

I actually don't pronounce it "chizz", but "chǝz".


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Jigneshbharati
Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:22:57 PM
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Thanks
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:37:34 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
He - we English speakers (most of us) DO have trouble with Щ and similar sounds like "chs".

You should try Georgian - they have clusters of strange consonants in every second word. :)

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However, feel free to pronounce it as you like - so long as it is understandable!

No thanks. I'll try to do it as Tzar of TFD prescribes.

Actually this is not very clearly described in Grammar Books and I have pronounced it without the vowel. Thanks to Jigneshbharati for posting this question and to thar for his peremptory answer.

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:37:12 PM

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I just tried saying it out loud (not just in my mind) and realised that it depends on the sentence and stress and rhythm.

Some sentences (in which "coach's" is a stressed word because of importance or rhythm) I would pronounce it with a stronger vowel - like "chiz", as thar said.
"No, It was the coach's book, not the teacher's." ( /koʊtʃɪz/ )

If it is unstressed, I 'lose' the vowel.
"No, it was the coach's book, not his glasses." ( /koʊtʃəz/ )


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Posted: Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:11:50 PM

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If Drag pronounces it like: "chǝz", then "chǝz" is correct. Whistle

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:10:58 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
If it is unstressed, I 'lose' the vowel.
"No, it was the coach's book, not his glasses." ( /koʊtʃəz/ )

I guess you do it with any vowel when it is unstressed:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/pk.htm

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ə - about, item, edible, gallop, circus


აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Friday, June 23, 2017 5:21:52 AM

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
I guess you do it with any vowel when it is unstressed:

I guess so - at least the simple open vowels 'eh' and 'a'.

It is only some vowels - words like "owl" or "father" do not become "əl" or "fəthə".

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