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TheParser
Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:30:32 AM
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NOT A TEACHER


Dear (Advanced) Learners:

When you go to a doctor (physician), you expect that person to prescribe some medicine or even to recommend that you have an operation.

There are, however, some "doctors" who use only words.

We call them "spin doctors."

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Let's say that the government of country X has decided that all young men and all young women must spend two years in the army.

Many parents become very angry and say that they will not vote for the government leaders next time.

So the government hires spin doctors. The spin doctors use words to show the parents that it is a GOOD idea for their sons and daughters to be in the army for two years.

The spin doctors might say something like this:

1. Don't worry, for there is NO sign of any war.

2. There are many advantages (good things) to your sons and daughters being in the army.

a. They will learn discipline.
b. They will have a chance to serve their country.
c. They will get physical exercise every day.
d. They will make friends for life.
e. They will get a chance to visit many other countries (without paying one penny).

Wow! Your sons and daughters are lucky to be in the army!






Have a nice (Tues)day!
TMe
Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05:45 PM

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Qualified Psychologists treat their patients with words only.

Clinical psychologist may prescribe minimum medication.



I am a layman.
Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:24:31 PM

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I would suggest that isn't not a good idea to go to the doctor "expecting" to either receive a prescription for medicine or a recommendation for surgery. I think this needs a do-over.
papo_308
Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:55:23 PM
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I spent my younger days in such a country X. Fortunately, the term for university graduates was only one year - even that was more than enough and lost time. The government then didn't need any spin doctors, it was enforced by law.
TheParser
Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:32:36 PM
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papo_308 wrote:
The government then didn't need any spin doctors, it was enforced by law.



Yes, Papo, even in 2017, there are some countries where the government does not need to convince the people that they should obey the law.

Thanks, TMe and Wilmar, for your comments.


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EXTRA INFORMATION


Spin doctors are often said to be people "who massage the message."

A masseur/masseuse massages your body so that you feel better.

Well, a spin doctor massages your words/orders/opinions so that they sound better.


Have a great Tues(day) evening!
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:47:00 AM

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Thanks, TheParser, a quick side question if I may (not to open a separate thread):

Is it to massage the message into somebody, i.e. is the right preposition into?

Like:
Originally he was rather sceptical and reluctant, but they massaged their message into him after all.


TheParser
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:38:00 AM
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Kirill Vorobyov wrote:
the right preposition






Thanks, Mr. Vorobyov, for your great question.

Of course, I did not know the answer, so I asked "Dr. Google."

The examples seemed to prefer the preposition "for."

Here is a sentence from the world-famous Wall Street Journal newspaper:


"The president's desire to be understood overseas creates new opportunities for creative license to massage the message for foreign ears."



Have a nice day and thanks for teaching me what preposition to use in that kind of sentence.
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:57:24 AM

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TheParser wrote:


"The president's desire to be understood overseas creates new opportunities for creative license to massage the message for foreign ears."


Thanks, TheParser, for your kind words, but it is really not for me to teach as far as a foreign language is concerned Angel

As to the example from the world-famous WSJ, who is the "creative license" in this example?
TheParser
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:43:02 AM
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Hello, Mr. Vorobyov:

"Creative license" is not a person.

I am going to rewrite that sentence:

"The President's desire creates new opportunities so that creative license can be used to massage the message for foreign leaders."

Does that help a bit?

I understand "creative license," but I could not explain it. So away I went to Dr. Google again!

Some definitions of "creative license" are "distortion of fact" and " exaggerating the truth." It is NOT lying, but ....

Here is a sentence that I found that seems to define it as "interpreting something as one wishes":

"Innovative chefs take creative license to define Pacific Northwest cuisine." (Architectural Digest, August 22, 2016) In other words, Chef X says his dish is Northwest cuisine, while Chef Y disagrees and claims that only his dish is Northwest cuisine.



Have a great day!


P.S. I guess that we can say that spin doctors are experts in creative license.

Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:50:10 AM

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Million thanks, The Parser, for another great expression ("creative license" - I either never came across one, or never bothered to really understand what it meant).
almo 1
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"The president's desire to be understood overseas creates new opportunities for creative license to massage the message for foreign ears."



https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2015/04/16/working-with-iron-meet-xi-jinpings-english-translator/




The president is Xi Jinping, and the creative license is his spin doctor.









TheParser
Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:07:19 AM
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Many thanks, Mr. Vorobyov and Almo, for your comments.


Have a great day!
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