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"And I won't ever never make groups like those" is correct [negative words] Options
A cooperator
Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:01:36 PM

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Hi,

Could you tell me if this sentence is correct or not?
And I won't ever never make groups like those.

I think it is incorrect since two negative forms are used.The negative word 'never' is used where the sentence is already negative with 'won't'

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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:45:32 PM

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You are right.
There are two negatives - which is wrong - and there are two forms of the word "ever" which is normally wrong.

You have two choices:
And I won't ever make groups like those.
And I will never make groups like those.
(And I'll never make groups like those.)

Sometimes, for very strong emphasis, the "ever" is repeated, in the forms:
And I'll never ever make groups like those.
And I'll never, never, make groups like those.
And I won't ever, ever, make groups like those.


The other point is that in formal English one does not start a sentence with "And".
Either this sentence and the one before it are joined by the "and" - or the new sentence is started by the word "Also".
This does not apply in informal speech.

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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:21:00 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
You are right.
There are two negatives - which is wrong - and there are two forms of the word "ever" which is normally wrong.


Hi Drag0nspeaker,
Thanks a lot.

There is only one form of the word "ever" in the sentence given.
And I won't ever never make groups like those.


I really noticed those two negatives('Won't' and 'Never') only made sentence wrong.

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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:19:01 PM

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Hi!

When I said 'two forms of the word ever', I included 'never'.
The two forms are 'ever' and 'never' - the positive and the negative of the same word.

Definitely, the two negatives "won't" and "never" made the sentence wrong.


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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:48:18 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Hi!

When I said 'two forms of the word ever', I included 'never'.
The two forms are 'ever' and 'never' - the positive and the negative of the same word.

Definitely, the two negatives "won't" and "never" made the sentence wrong.


Thanks a lot, Drag0nspeaker,

But you think that using two forms of the word "ever" is normally wrong.

I can say 'I have never ever been to the US. So, you think this is wrong since there are two forms of the word "ever" which is normally wrong.
If not, then why have you said that sentence is incorrect since there are two forms of the word "ever" which is normally wrong even if you included 'never' when saying 'two forms of the word ever'



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