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tunaafi
Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:14:47 AM

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TheParser wrote:
Some people familiar with mental health issues opine that people who are absolutely obsessed with race, gender, etc. are trying to hide something from other people and -- above all -- from themselves.


Would you like me to quote some of your old posts on those topics James?
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 11:11:21 AM

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Maybe I am typing in the wrong word search, but I can't find such a story about the armed forces on Huffington Post dot com or ca. And apparently after being accused of being anti-Semitic, the HP deactivated their search feature. Not so liberal after all?

http://savethewest.com/HuffPost3i/

Andrew, We have been told many times by himself that the Parser is too old (and I can't remember his other adjective) to learn how to post links plus he is on dial-up. However, cutting and pasting from Huff Post would have helped here. Can you find any link with this story? I'm curious now and like to read the exact words for myself.

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
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Thanks, YIII. Very interesting and probably not too surprising that veterans have changed views and may have become prejudiced after tours in wars. Even civilians who went through wars hated the enemy who killed their friends and loved ones. And I don't blame them.

I'm not saying it isn't but it would certainly take a lot of spinning to say this - Quote TheParser: And I have just heard that someone wrote an article in the super-"liberal" "Huffington Post" website saying that anyone who joins the American armed forces is a racist.


In fact, it would not make sense for anyone at all to say that.


But we will never know because Parser doesn't read my or Tuna's posts. He might have to respond or even examine his pov if he did. He is thus free to post what he wants without having to explain or defend it, which is why I feel it is important to respond with facts.



It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
tunaafi
Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 3:05:08 PM

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TheParser wrote:
Howard Dean. [...]

I have just heard that he recently publicly opined that anyone who votes for a Republican candidate in the 2018 Congressional elections is a racist.


I have done my best to track this down. It seems that Dean's actual words may have been "... in the 2018 elections, if you vote for a Republican, you're supporting Donald Trump. This has now become a referendum. If you want to vote for a racist in the White House, then you better vote for Republicans."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/08/22/howard-dean-if-you-vote-republican-in-2018-youre-a-racist-n2371323
Y111
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 12:28:37 AM
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Hope123 wrote:

But we will never know because Parser doesn't read my or Tuna's posts.

I suspect he does but doesn't reply to them. I have always seen this tactic as shooting yourself in the foot because your opponents are now free to say anything and you can say nothing in response, even if their statements are easy to refute.
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:35:13 AM

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It does, however, allow him to give the impression that he has not seen our requests for evidence for some of his more dubious claims. It also allows him to disregard those posts in which we expose the shaky foundations for some of those claims.
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:37:47 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
But we will never know because Parser doesn't read my or Tuna's posts.


He doesn't read post from anyone he thinks of as "those other people". It's a very effective way to make sure he avoids having to think critically or weigh different sides to any issue. It also ensures that his posts are of more comic value than anything.

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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 11:09:39 AM

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Progpen, Tuna, and YIII - agreed. I will just keep on refuting the inaccuracies and Trumpist spinning by checking them out for myself to see if they are true or not.

Remember, he says he is just a news junkie reporting the "facts" from a Trumpist POV.

I really could not care less what any Trump supporter has to say or whether or not Parser reads what I write. I have no respect for anybody who rationalizes to such a degree to be able to support such a president, even if duly elected.

In fact I lost respect for TP during his very first contentious post about whether or not women have too much freedom these days - don't remember the exact wording but that was the gist of it.

I do not enjoy talking about someone behind their backs but that is of his choosing. We can't respond with a constructive discussion with him.

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Right now I wish the people of Texas help with Hurricane Harvey - stay safe. Where are you Philips Daughter and Sanmayce and other TFDers in its path? Hope you are all ok.

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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 11:18:28 AM

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The discussion wastage of time. The crux is;

Every Politician in power is Politically Correct.


I am a layman.
Hope123
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 2:20:58 PM

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For some reason I had the idea Sanmayce is from the same area as PD, but I just checked and he's from Bulgaria, just filling in US history.

Philip's Daughter is ok - she just checked in on another thread. 😀

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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:19:31 PM
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I don't like hysterical activist.





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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:33:59 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
I do not enjoy talking about someone behind their backs but that is of his choosing. We can't respond with a constructive discussion with him.


Either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your perspective) there is no "behind someone's back" on a forum unless we start PM'ing each other about someone, which is kind of pointless.

I also hope everyone in the hurricane's path is safe and sheltered and that's why they are not posting.

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almo 1
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:42:16 AM
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progpen wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
I do not enjoy talking about someone behind their backs but that is of his choosing. We can't respond with a constructive discussion with him.


Either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your perspective) there is no "behind someone's back" on a forum unless we start PM'ing each other about someone, which is kind of pointless.







Related thread:




://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst174219






Lotje1000
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 3:35:05 AM

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TheParser wrote:
Many "liberals" have become totally unhinged since the election.
[...]
Those mentally fragile individuals are playing with fire.


Yet I remember from this thread:

TheParser wrote:
The latest "liberal" ploy: try to paint the President as mentally ill.


TheParser, now stealing strategies from the "liberal" ploy.
Andrew Schultz
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:03:39 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
I do not enjoy talking about someone behind their backs but that is of his choosing. We can't respond with a constructive discussion with him.

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Right now I wish the people of Texas help with Hurricane Harvey - stay safe. Where are you Philips Daughter and Sanmayce and other TFDers in its path? Hope you are all ok.


Minor point: if TheParser is subscribed do this thread, he'll get emails. So don't worry about that.

More relevant point: And what's happening in Texas is horrible. I am glad Philips Daughter is safe. There have been so many acts of heroism but we need so many more. The government disaster response is doing all it can, but Harvey looks too big. I hope everyone taking initiative to rescue others takes the right precautions so they stay safe.

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Hope123
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:51:48 AM

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almo 1 wrote:
progpen wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
I do not enjoy talking about someone behind their backs but that is of his choosing. We can't respond with a constructive discussion with him.


Either fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your perspective) there is no "behind someone's back" on a forum unless we start PM'ing each other about someone, which is kind of pointless.



Related thread:


://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst174219



The Parser in no uncertain terms told me the time a while ago I private messaged him to try to get peace on the forum that he did not want any further messages from me. I never go where I am not invited.

The fact that I am not addressing him directly on the Forum that I know he will read is what makes it feel like talking behind ones back. I think I shall just address the issues he presents and ignore any further comments about the grudges he cannot supersede.

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Hope123
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:56:20 AM

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Andrew - there are many acts of heroism and caring for each other in Texas right now in a storm like no other before. Americans show their true colors there.

Mexico and Canada have offered help again.

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Romany
Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:39:08 PM
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Yes, I too hope Phillip's Daughter continues to be ok. But she did say she was at a centre, didn't she?

I haven't seen any coverage of this at all yet but know the damage these weather events can cause. So yes: Hang in there, people. Our thoughts are with you all.
Tovarish
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I believe 'gorilla tactics' was first used in the Boer War in South Africa against the English and AIF, my memory tells me 1900-04.


PC to the extreme down here, we no longer have a Chairman its Chair Person, Handyman's section of a hardware store is a Handy Persons section,
man holes is person holes and personstrating, you can separate fact from fiction and all from my Aussie humor.
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Will the British rename Manchester to Personchester?
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 5:53:34 AM
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Andrew - but don't forget to be thankful for small mercies, either.

Have you noticed how, lately, Parsar has been putting quote marks around "Liberals?" Proof that we have, finally, got through to him.

We've been telling him, and his other 2 amigos, for yonks that people who oppose lies, the derogation of women, violence, and racism do not represent any particular American political party. They represent the majority of people across the developed world...but he never seemed able to comprehend that.

But now he has! Putting those quote marks reveals that he knows now that "liberal" isn't the correct term and is just a way of speaking about everyone - black, white, Republican, Democrat, foreign governments, the citizens of free countries - everyone who opposes the Orange Fool.

Hurrah! A small step for a man......Well done, Parsar.
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Romany wrote:

Andrew - but don't forget to be thankful for small mercies, either.

Have you noticed how, lately, Parsar has been putting quote marks around "Liberals?" Proof that we have, finally, got through to him.

We've been telling him, and his other 2 amigos, for yonks that people who oppose lies, the derogation of women, violence, and racism do not represent any particular American political party. They represent the majority of people across the developed world...but he never seemed able to comprehend that.

But now he has! Putting those quote marks reveals that he knows now that "liberal" isn't the correct term and is just a way of speaking about everyone - black, white, Republican, Democrat, foreign governments, the citizens of free countries - everyone who opposes the Orange Fool.

Hurrah! A small step for a man......Well done, Parsar.


Hmm, well, that is correct. Small mercies. However, it might just be falling in with other reactionary stuff.

I try to avoid watching alt-right (or their enablers') youtube etc. but one thing the pundits like Sargon of Akkad or Dave Rubin do is they say "I'm a classical liberal" and the US definition of liberal "isn't really liberal." So it's another way to show us as inauthentic. Of course, these "liberals" jabber on about the free market but when it comes to respecting religion, etc...well, they'd like to, but they get into bothsidesism and whataboutism.

The word liberal has meant different things in different points in history, so this is sort of a chance to obfuscate. The_Parser may unknowingly be parroting all this.

It's amusing coming from conservatives who don't give a you-know-what about conserving the environment. Well, once you see their sleight of hand.

So I'm not especially grateful to The_Parser, but yes, the change in tone signals that the old nonsense tactics aren't working.

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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:29:59 AM

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The subject of political correctness has been kicked around until thoroughly tenderized and basically comes down to this:

PC is "supposed" to be used to protect the vulnerable from the powerful. In reality, it has become a weapon that the powerful use against their enemies. That does not mean that PC is bad, it only means that it has been misused by bad (read evil) people.

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Andrew -
I expect I should have put the whistle icon in my post. I was indulging in what, for us Brits, passes as ironic humour.

In the spirit of posting on a dictionary site I interpreted the quote marks absolutely literally. Parsar, who has no time for the subtleties of the English language, meant no such thing, I am perfectly aware. As I was the very first on his no-read list I *know* he isn't going to read what I say. So it amuses me to play.Whistle

Progpen: Yes indeed. But I see that in America as well as England, it's only the people who have no idea whatsoever what political correctness means, who ever crap on about it.

However I'm damned if I'm going to change the meaning of something - whether it's quotation marks,or the concepts of political correctness, socialism, atheism, 'fine people' etc. etc - just because there's a small cell in a minority group, none of whom are Einsteins in the field of language, who suddenly declare it means something else.Shame on you

'Avin' a larf, mate. 'Avin' a larf.Not talking

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Father's Day is Sunday down here and it was promoted by the PC'ers that it should be renamed Special Person's Day, what can I say?
tunaafi
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Tovarish wrote:
what can I say?


Perhaps that by PC'ers you mean either comedians or the lunatic fringe.
Y111
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They should also notice that the word "person" is not as harmless as it pretends to be because it seems to include the word "son". So the people who don't know its origins might see it as sexist. It would probably be wise to change it to "perchild". However, this could sound agist. So I am at a loss what to suggest. Maybe just "per"?
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Tovarish wrote:
what can I say?



Well, as the resident middle-of-the-roader in these forums, I say that the "liberals" think that they are very clever in pushing and pushing and pushing people against the wall.

Eventually, there will be a backlash, and the "liberals" will pay the price for their hypocrisy!

In my super-"liberal" American city (where leaders ignore real problems and spend time on nonsense), the City Council has just voted to change "Columbus Day" to "Indigenous People's Day."

Of course, some Italian-Americans protested.

But the City Council did not care about their feelings.

"Liberals" care only for "downtrodden" groups, whom they patronize as needing the "liberals" ' help (in exchange, of course, for the "downtrodden" groups' votes at election time).



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Columbus did not discover America. Why would we have a special day for him if in fact he did not do what he was said to have done?

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TheParser wrote:
Well, as the resident middle-of-the-roader in these forums...


The first time I saw this I got a good laugh, thank you for that.

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Columbus did not discover America. Why would we have a special day for him if in fact he did not do what he was said to have done?

Ah, but the alternative facts say that "Columbus discovered America".
In fact there was no-one in America at the time. He was the first human ever to come to those shores.
Then the nasty natives (natives of where? there was no-one there before him . . . Oh well, never mind) . . .then the nasty natives tried to stop Democracy arriving . . .

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TheParser wrote:

In my super-"liberal" American city (where leaders ignore real problems and spend time on nonsense), the City Council has just voted to change "Columbus Day" to "Indigenous People's Day."


Your super-"Liberal" American city is lagging behind. Protest against Columbus day started as early as 1977 where it had the support of the (also super-"liberal"?) United Nations.

How terrible that they suddenly want to promote continental unity instead of colonization and genocide. Whistle

TheParser wrote:

"Liberals" care only for "downtrodden" groups, whom they patronize as needing the "liberals" ' help (in exchange, of course, for the "downtrodden" groups' votes at election time).


I thought the whole point of getting elected was to do what your voters want? Where are your complaints that he said he would do more for LGTBQ+ rights than Hillary ever would? Where is your complaint that he's patronizing these "downtrodden" groups?
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Lotje1000 wrote:
Where is your complaint that he's patronizing these "downtrodden" groups?


Be reasonable Lotje! Isn't it enough that TheParser is humble, courteous, polite, moderate, the forums's resident middle-of-the-roader and the spokesperson for the millions of members who are terrified to speak out here (in addition to being a staunch defender of the finest president the USA has ever had)? Are you expecting him to be consistent as well? Shame on you!
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To be fair: the tri-partite news source upon which the remaining apologists rely has not yet covered all the stuff that's happened since they were at school.

They really are, perhaps, completely unaware that North America has yielded up a gobsmacking amount of artefacts, structures,writing(!), and evidence of dense areas of occupation? So until Fox does a story on it they honestly don't know that the history of North America can now be traced back thousands of years- pre-dating the tribes who were around when the Renaissance white folk decided to appropriate their country.Whistle

Anxious However as this history goes back much further than 5,000yrs perhaps there's a conspiracy to suppress the information?
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