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TMe
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:39:05 PM

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Please tell me where do racists learn racism from? Is it from society, religious places, mothers and/or from.....?

I am a layman.
Hope123
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:54:55 AM

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Hi TMe

In my opinion -

Part of the answer to your question TME might be found in Progpen's response on the "Number of anti-Muslim hate groups" thread. Political advantage.

Tribalism is part of the human adaptation for survival - we have to know who our friends are. In-groups and out-groups and how they can easily be manufactured were studied and it is fascinating stuff to a psychologist. But tribalism should be and often is different nowadays and it is often a struggle for land and power, rather than racism per se.

Children adapt quite easily in modern times to friends who are different - unless they are indoctrinated by parents and family to think otherwise. And by society - think how hard it was for a white person to even defend a black in the southern US when racism and slavery were at their peaks. Maybe some of that yet today. I heard enough comments about Obama in FL by Americans from all states at parties after they'd had few drinks to know that was the real sentiment.

And some people think it is fine to Bible thump and acclaim their religious ideals, which may be fine, except they then villify anyone who opposes them, and that is very evident in the two groups that are so divided in the US today - and religion has even then become very political. So yes, religion too has a stake in creating divides. There are so many religions and if you don't belong to the same one, you are suspect. Not allowed to even have friends or marry outside your group.

Also, humans adapt to their environment by making schemas so they know what to expect the next time they meet a certain situation. That leads to stereotypes, which is fine, but often those are wrong or should not be applied individually.

For example - if you see someone of a different culture doing something you disapprove of, you tend to think all people of that culture do that. I am thinking of an example in a store where Canadians are not used to seeing people being pushy and argumentative with a clerk. But if you see someone doing that and they are of another other culture you think that is how they all do it. That may or may not be true.

So I guess in my opinion it is multi-factored. Anybody different for any reason can become suspect in many ways.


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TheParser
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:22:02 AM
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Two members have just asked me to be their proxy in this thread.

They do not wish to post their views under their own usernames, for they fear cutting the ties of "friendship" that they have with a certain female and a certain male.

*****

1. This thread has already received one reply. I assume that the reply contains the politically correct answer to the OP's question.

2. Last month, American Internet companies announced that they would no longer permit any politically incorrect views regarding ethnicity (aka "race").

a. Those Internet companies immediately closed down one website.
b. They are consulting with "liberal" groups as to what other websites should be banished from the World Wide Web.

3. A FEW genuine liberals and conservatives have criticized this new censorship. Most "liberals," however, applaud this new censorship; most "conservatives"
are also applauding or simply keeping quiet.

4. Those two members will understand, therefore, why I am not able to post their viewpoints. My apologies.


*****

Those two members have these options:

1. In public (at school, at work, on the Web, etc.) always reassure everyone that you -- of course -- support the politically correct view. (Your job may depend on it.)

2. Express your actual feelings only among trusted family and friends.

3. In the privacy of the ballot booth, vote for candidates who are closer to your views.
tunaafi
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:52:39 AM

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TheParser wrote:

2. Last month, American Internet companies announced that they would no longer permit any politically incorrect views regarding ethnicity (aka "race").


If you are refsrring to the news reported here, https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/internet-firms-flex-muscle-to-exile-white-supremacists.html, the companies did not say that they would no longer permit any politically incorrect views regarding ethnicity (aka "race").

They said that they were cutting off services to hate groups or removing material that they said spread hate.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:35:52 AM

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The Parser has just given some advice. I actually agree, but would put it in different words.

1. In public (at school, at work, on the Web, etc.) always reassure everyone that you -- of course -- support the politically correct view.
Don't break the law.
Don't be racist in public. Don't discriminate against anyone of any colour or race - it's against the law.
Don't perform any action of a racist nature, speak derogatorily or discriminate against anyone of another race.
Don't spread racist and bigoted views to your children or anyone you are expected to help educate.
These actions are against the law of America (and Britain).


2. Express your actual feelings only among trusted family and friends.
Think whatever you like - there is no law against thinking
If you really can't keep racist and bigoted views to yourselves, find someone of the same views and talk to them. Don't break the law by inciting anyone else to violence or disruption of the peace.


3. In the privacy of the ballot booth, vote for candidates who are closer to your views.
In the privacy of the ballot booth, vote for candidates who are closer to your views.

Added by me. 4. Take a walk around. Look at people, at what they are doing in the shops, in the streets, in a hospital. Don't get your ideas from any newspapers - neither "Liberal" ones nor "Fox News/Breitbart".
Get actual data from source (crime figures from the police records, this sort of thing)

Are all the people of your own race always friendly and helpful? Do they never commit crimes? Are they always perfectly clean and polite? Do none of them ever take drugs?
Are the people of other races always antagonistic, criminal, violent, lazy, druggy bums?


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To answer the original question:
It is learned from Society, school and the family.
Look back to two "famous" examples.
The Hitler Youth and the Komsomol.
These were both mostly promoted in schools and in the family to begin with, then in propaganda in news media.
Both were indoctrinated into the idea "This is the best country/society."
"Everyone else is wrong."
"____ is/are evil and are trying to destroy us" (Jews, Capitalists, Liberals, Republicans, Communists, Blacks, Gypsies, Latinos, Chinese, Japanese, Americans)
Very often there is also "God is on our side."
If nationalism, allegiance to a government, the 'divine right of my land' etc are promoted, then you are very likely to have SOME leaders who teach racialism.

Komsomol in Russia.



Nazi Youth in Germany.



Scouts in the USA.




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Y111
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:32:20 AM
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:

Komsomol in Russia.



Those are pioneers, not komsomol. Komsomol members were older and didn't wear red neckerchifs.
TMe
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:06:27 PM

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State consensus?

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TheParser
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:08:53 PM
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:

Get actual data from source (crime figures from the police records, this sort of thing)





Since you, not I, said that, I guess that I am allowed to comment on that one sentence.

Actually, it may be better that Americans NOT get the "crime figures from the police records," for if they did, many of them would be MORE frightened than they already are!

Your sentence is embarrassing some of the sanctimonious hypocrites who ignore crime figures.

No doubt certain individuals are at this very moment sending you a private message that reads something like this: "Drago, WTF! Are you crazy? Don't encourage people to check the crime figures. Oh, my Lord! Pretty soon people will also be checking newspaper reports of crimes, which -- at least indirectly -- report the ethnicity of perpetrators! Oh, Drago. What have you done?! We have been condemning that stupid Parser for years and saying that he is a liar. Now you come along and ruin everything. I feel faint!"
tunaafi
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:14:26 PM

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TheParser wrote:

No doubt certain individuals are at this very moment sending you a private message that reads something like this: "Drago, WTF! Are you crazy? Don't encourage people to check the crime figures. Oh, my Lord! Pretty soon people will also be checking newspaper reports of crimes, which -- at least indirectly -- report the ethnicity of perpetrators! Oh, Drago. What have you done?! We have been condemning that stupid Parser for years and saying that he is a liar. Now you come along and ruin everything. I feel faint!"


Garbage!


Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:07:48 PM

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Excellent post, Drago. I like all your suggestions but especially like your point number four! As you say, “Look around”, and I will add travel to different countries and look around there. Meet people who are different from you. Get to know them as individuals and not just as groups or even just as statistics.

I’ve said before many times that every human has tribal connections as an “in group” and really does not particularly like “out groups”. But civilized people do learn to do as Drago advocated. It is how we listen to our frontal cortex and act in spite of the primal urges that cause humans to act in uncivilized ways against people who are “other” in any fashion.

In the US - which does keep statistics on crime and race - these are the latest from the FBI and cannot be classed as fake news by even the staunchest supporter of resistance to mainstream media.

I copied only the excerpt that shows unequivocally that there is racism in the US. (For Canada see comments below.) But TFDers, you can read the article for yourself from this link.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

White and Black Victims

Black people have consistently accounted for close to half the country's homicide victims, making up more than 50 percent of the broader pool of those killed overall every year since 2010. The number of black victims increased 15 percent in 2015 over 2014.

Of the 13,455 cases from last year in which the FBI listed a victim's racial information, 7,039 victims – or 52.3 percent – were black. That compares with 5,854 cases – or 43.5 percent – in which the victim was white, an increase of about 8 percent from last year.

It's a disparity that becomes more pronounced in the context of population, as 2015 Census estimates suggest that whites account for 77.1 percent of the overall U.S. population of roughly 321 million, while blacks comprise 13.3 percent.


There is racism in crime in Canada too but Canada finds that the collection of crime data based on race is “not seen as beneficial or appropriate at this time”, so I have no info to post - except that in general terms of comparison to the US, there is a much lower crime rate, many fewer guns/more regulations concerning the possession of them, a lot fewer police per one hundred thousand, and a lot fewer prisons. Canadians are neither better nor worse than any other culture - it is my personal opinion that the attitude towards guns has a big impact on the lower crime rates and lower amount of (growing) racism - which are/is still way too high.

And maybe having a leader who pushes inclusiveness, diversity, and feminism helps to counteract racism!



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Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:16:58 PM

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It is interesting that in the US "the overall rate remained near 30-year lows last year, even as Americans' concern about crime hit a 15-year high in March, and 7 in 10 Americans last year said crime was rising."

"Homicides have been on the rise since the start of 2015, but that increase has largely been driven by street violence in Chicago, Baltimore and the nation's capital. Still, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has effectively played on Americans' perception of crime – itself buttressed by daily crime coverage in the news – declaring that blacks were responsible for 81 percent of the killings of white Americans, that "African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before," and that "inner-city crime is reaching record levels.

All three claims earned "Pants on Fire" ratings from PolitiFact."


Another way racism is spread. Add it to the list, TME.

(My list which is definitely not poltically correct. Lol)

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Y111
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Hope123, I don't quite understand what you call racism in crime. According to the article, whites mostly kill whites and blacks mostly kill blacks.

Quote:

The vast majority of homicide victims are killed by people of their own race. People tend to kill who they know.
TMe
Posted: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:28:36 AM

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Right Hope123, ye are very right.

I am a layman.
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Brick wall I wonder if anyone has really taken the time to do some research on what the word 'racist' really means. It certainly doesn't mean what we are referring to these days.
TheParser
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scarecrow wrote:
Brick wall I wonder if anyone has really taken the time to do some research on what the word 'racist' really means. It certainly doesn't mean what we are referring to these days.



Spot on!

The word "racist" is worthless in 2017 America.



The news this morning says that a jury in the state of Missouri has found a cop not guilty in the death of a certain individual.

Some activists say that the cop must have been "racist."

Apparently, the jury listened to the facts and determined he was not.


Every time you turn on TV, you hear the word "racist" being thrown around.

Fair-minded people are sick and tired of activists using the race card.

People are now just yawning whenever they hear the word.

Hope123
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scarecrow wrote:
Brick wall I wonder if anyone has really taken the time to do some research on what the word 'racist' really means. It certainly doesn't mean what we are referring to these days.


Racism is when one person feels superior to another instead of equal - because of their color or race or culture or religion or creed or gender.

Equality is when you see a person not a label.

Edited - I just looked it up on TFD and they add the idea that the race that feels they are superior think they have the right to control the others.



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TMe
Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2017 1:39:09 AM

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Hairsplitting the word 'racism' or 'racist' (or any word) in a philosophical way is also a sort of racism. No doubt this a forum but persons try to demonstrate and validate (their) supremacy in an unsolicited way.


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Y111
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It's better to focus on what people say. Whether they are trying to demonstrate something or not is only a guess.

Defining words is a way to avoid confusion and misunderstanding.
TMe
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...and guessing is philosophy.

I am a layman.
Hope123
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TMe wrote:
Hairsplitting the word 'racism' or 'racist' (or any word) in a philosophical way is also a sort of racism. No doubt this a forum but persons try to demonstrate and validate (their) supremacy in an unsolicited way.


Would you please explain this a little more, TMe?

It is confusing to me that you MAY be saying that using a dictionary on a dictionary site so that we are talking about the same qualites and definitions is basic to me but you are saying it is racist in some way and that it is an unsolicited way of trying to show supremacy?

My first reaction since childhood when I want to be clear about something is to look in the dictionary and as well, in those days, the encyclopedia. I always told my students to look things up rather than giving them the answer. They would remember it better that way.

That is always done in order NOT to guess. Learning is now showing supremacy? I have read theories about this and am wondering if that is what you mean?


That is how I am interpreting this. What am I missing here?


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Beautiful, Leon! I had forgotten this song.

Succinct too. You should teach me how to do that. Angel

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