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sb70012
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:58:53 PM

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1. Nowhere I can find it. = incorrect
2. Nowhere can I find it. = correct
3. I can find it nowhere. = correct
4. Can I find it anywhere? = correct
5. Can I find it nowhere? = incorrect
6. Can't I find it nowhere? = incorrect
7. Can't I find it anywhere? = correct

Hi,
Am I right about their correctness and wrongness?

Thank you.

Sorry if I don't thank you more than once. I don't want to bother you by filling up a thread with multiple thank yous.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:05:45 PM

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Hi sb!

Almost perfect.

There is a quite unusual, but correct usage for #5.
When you are asking "yourself" or "fate" or "god" in exasperation
"Can I find it nowhere?"

It sounds a little old-fashioned or formal, but is correct.
It is incorrect when asking a real question to which you expect an answer.

#1 and #6 are definitely incorrect.

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thar
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:07:42 PM

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Look again at sentence 3.

It is a negative sentence - but the verb is positive.
It is more natural to make the verb negative, and the adverb positive.
towan52
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:23:12 PM

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thar wrote:
Look again at sentence 3.

It is a negative sentence - but the verb is positive.
It is more natural to make the verb negative, and the adverb positive.


But it would be a good trick if he could do it! If he come from East London then: "I can't find it nowhere" would be perfectly understandable - innit?

"Today I was a hero. I rescued some beer that was trapped in a bottle"
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:32:36 PM

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Like #5 - #3 sounds very old-fashioned or "affected".

affected - adj
1. behaving, speaking, etc, in an artificial or assumed way, esp in order to impress others


Oh I say, Sir Charles, I can find it nowhere!


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sb70012
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:39:11 PM

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Thank you. What about this:

I can't find it nowhere.


Is this correct? I think it's wrong because of using two negatives in one sentence.

Sorry if I don't thank you more than once. I don't want to bother you by filling up a thread with multiple thank yous.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:24:55 PM

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sb70012 wrote:
Thank you. What about this:

I can't find it nowhere.


Is this correct? I think it's wrong because of using two negatives in one sentence.
You're correct.

"I can't find it nowhere" is a double negative and is incorrect.

It is used (often as a 'joke' or 'ironically') as an example or indicator of a character (in a book or play or story) who speaks with a city dialect (particularly London - as Towan does in an earlier post here).


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Wilmar (USA)
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:17:12 PM

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Nbr 3 works as is, and isn't really that unusual. It is the same as saying "I can't find it.", or "It is nowhere."
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 9:36:47 PM

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It is true that "I can find it nowhere" is correct - but it is not common.

Here is the comparison in books over the years.

In 2007, "I can't find it" or "I cannot find it" were used about 250 times more often than "I can find it nowhere."

"I can find it nowhere" was not used in any book published between 1954 and 1960.

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sb70012
Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 5:35:22 AM

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Hi again,
Can we say that "Can I go nowhere?" is also correct because it has the same construction as "Can I find nowhere?"

Sorry if I don't thank you more than once. I don't want to bother you by filling up a thread with multiple thank yous.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:19:59 PM

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Yes, you can.
However, it would be more normal to say "Can't I go anywhere?"

Again, you will most likely hear "Can I go nowhere?" as an exasperated "rhetorical" question (a question which you don't really expect anyone to answer - it is just a question to 'fate' or 'the air' or yourself).

As thar said earlier:
Quote:
It is a negative sentence - but the verb is positive.
It is more natural to make the verb negative, and the adverb positive.


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