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Death is not the worst evil, but rather when we wish to die and cannot. Options
Daemon
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 12:00:00 AM
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Death is not the worst evil, but rather when we wish to die and cannot.

Sophocles (496 BC-406 BC)
Elephant
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 3:49:25 AM
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This Sophocles used to be really miserable
Stan
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 6:49:09 AM
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Nowadays, we've psychiatrist.
pedro
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 7:08:56 AM

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He could have tried pig wrestling therapy

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karkuss
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 7:28:10 AM
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I concur, Misery ,is best when treated. I prescribe one month off, two antidepressants, and one psychotropic. I try to stay away from people like this.
lenam
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 7:31:53 AM

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What does he mean by "worst" evil? Is death an evil in the first place?

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MarySM
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:18:10 AM

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pedro wrote:
He could have tried pig wrestling therapy


FunnyApplause But remember-only the pig likes it!

I think I disagree with Soph because many of us have, at one time, wished to die. Later, we were very glad that our wish had not been granted. Probably every teenager has wished, at least once, that they were dead.

"He who never made a mistake never made a discovery." Samuel Smiles
Vickster
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 9:01:09 AM

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i don't think "death" is an evil unless your killed!!

He who sings scares away his woes. ~Cervantes
Raia Dalila
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 9:47:20 AM
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Elephant wrote:
This Sophocles used to be really miserable
He did no watch television, he did not have access to all your goodyLiar s
Raia Dalila
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 9:49:54 AM
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This Sod'oh! phocle?
Raia Dalila
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 9:50:34 AM
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This Sod'oh! phocle?
Christine
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 12:15:39 PM

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Sounds like Dr.Jack Kevorkian.

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excaelis
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 1:16:52 PM

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Looks like Daemon didn't win the office costume prize again !

Sanity is not statistical
Marissa La Faye Isolde
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 7:58:34 PM
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Perhaps it is not so much 'death' that one wishes for, but the peace of forgetfulness.
Sometimes it is the River Lethe that one longs to drink from.
Sparrow
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:03:09 PM

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If you live to be 95, probably you may come to think that wishing and not being able to die is more evil than death itself.
And yes indeed, death may not be an evil. Just a new form of life. By the way, when I feel very tired or frustrated, this thought affrights me, because it means no rest, ever. Always have to be in the midst of the traffic. For eternity.

All who joy would win must share it. Happiness was born a Twin. Lord Byron
Sparrow
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:19:36 PM

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I am mistaken: He was 90, not 95. But I just wanted to add something else that struck me though not exactly relevant to the quotation.
People in the ancient world did live a very long life, seems like wayyy longer than today. The other day I saw statistcs on the life time in different countries. My heart just all weeped! So short! Here in the US, it is 65 years, and there are countries with 39 years on average.
It is kind of to be expected that life is getting shorter given how we treat the planet and ourselves...

And all those ancient philosophers lived forever. Not even mentioning the Bible characters...

All who joy would win must share it. Happiness was born a Twin. Lord Byron
excaelis
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 9:18:42 PM

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Sparrow wrote:
I am mistaken: He was 90, not 95. But I just wanted to add something else that struck me though not exactly relevant to the quotation.
People in the ancient world did live a very long life, seems like wayyy longer than today. The other day I saw statistcs on the life time in different countries. My heart just all weeped! So short! Here in the US, it is 65 years, and there are countries with 39 years on average.
It is kind of to be expected that life is getting shorter given how we treat the planet and ourselves...

And all those ancient philosophers lived forever. Not even mentioning the Bible characters...


'Average ages' are always skewed by massive infant mortality in more primitive societies. Generally, if you could make it out of childhood the old biblical three score and ten was reasonable. Are you sure about the 65 number ?

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Sparrow
Posted: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 11:51:05 PM

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Now that you asked, Ex, I doubt if I am correct. Will go look for that place. I didn't save it.

All who joy would win must share it. Happiness was born a Twin. Lord Byron
Sparrow
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 12:43:55 AM

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Okay, got it! http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?cid=GPD_10

Ashamed of myself!!! Actually it is not the very that table I saw, but I am too impatient to keep searching. This one has it all too, except in the one I saw, Japan was on the first place (the longest life expectancy, 82), and there was separate statistics for men, women and a whole. But at least I can see the 65 number. It is not for the US, but for Russia: the life expectancy in Russia is 65. The USA has 78, close to Japan.
I am sooooo ashamed of myself, I was about to cry, my face is all burning and flashing now! I wish I would have a nice habit of double check before I blurt something stupid. But I have a pretty clear idea of how it all mixed up in my brain. I live in the USA but my home country is Russia (well, America is my second home now and a very dear to me). Actually I love both countries, and probably in my mind this number of 65 somehow stuck to the idea of "my country", some Rumerica...
Are you confused?
Anyway, thank you for making me do all this: to search for more information and to get this lesson: watch what I am saying.

All who joy would win must share it. Happiness was born a Twin. Lord Byron
excaelis
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 11:22:46 AM

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's all good, Sparrow. I've committed many a slip too. Peace.

Sanity is not statistical
Babezy
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 10:20:28 PM

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We've all been there, Sparrow! Just recently I came up with what I thought was a useful idea. I posted it here on the forum and JJ had to remind me that it was originally his idea and that there was a whole thread on it--which I'd read and forgotten I'd read! I felt like a total senile fool, and I looked like a plagiarist. But online no one can see you blush! In other words, don't feel bad--just keep chatting.

This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force. --Dorothy Parker
Marissa La Faye Isolde
Posted: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 11:14:43 PM
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To Sparrow.

Here is a poem about rest and peace I thought you might like.


“Death must be so beautiful. To lie in the soft brown earth, with the grasses waving above one’s head, and listen to silence. To have no yesterday, and no to-morrow. To forget time, to forgive life, to be at peace.”

— Oscar Wilde
Ada75
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Marissa La Faye Isolde wrote:
Perhaps it is not so much 'death' that one wishes for, but the peace of forgetfulness.
Sometimes it is the River Lethe that one longs to drink from.


To die, to sleep
no more -and by a sleep to say we end
the heartache


Ada
"Just, one more thing... The people and the friends that we have lost, or the dreams that have faded... Never forget them."
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