The Free Dictionary  
mailing list For webmasters
Welcome Guest Forum Search | Active Topics | Members

Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale" Airs/Canadians-Why Do Women Treat Other Women "That" Way? Options
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:45:08 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
http://www.bravo.ca/Shows/TheHandmaidsTale

It is an eagerly anticipated ten-episode series.

Unfortunately, it looks as if only Canadians can see it now but it will air in other countries when this exclusive airing is done.

It is an all-star cast including Elisabeth Moss and Joseph Fiennes. Atwood's book has recently topped the best-seller list again with the release of various anti-female forces from their hiding places.

I have it set to record the series and will let you know how well it is done.

::
"Based on the award-winning, best-selling novel by Margaret Atwood, which recently topped the best-seller’s list once again, The Handmaid’s Tale is the story of life in the dystopia of Gilead, a totalitarian society in what was formerly part of the United States. Facing environmental disasters and a plunging birthrate, Gilead is ruled by a twisted fundamentalist regime that treats women as property of the state. As one of the few remaining fertile women, Offred (Elisabeth Moss) is a Handmaid in the Commander’s household, one of the caste of women forced into sexual servitude as a last desperate attempt to repopulate a devastated world. In this terrifying society where one wrong word could end her life, Offred navigates between Commanders, their cruel Wives, domestic Marthas, and her fellow Handmaids – where anyone could be a spy for Gilead – with one goal: to survive and find the daughter that was taken from her."

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:59:21 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/17/margaret-atwood-the-prophet-of-dystopia

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/books/review/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-age-of-trump.html?_r=0

Here's the best explanation I've ever seen as to why women treat other women the way they do sometimes. I'm sure I will be upset by these scenes, but I intend to watch this series.

"The Handmaids sit in a circle, with the Taser-equipped Aunts forcing them to join in what is now called (but was not, in 1984) the “slut-shaming” of one of their number, Jeanine, who is being made to recount how she was gang-raped as a teenager. Her fault, she led them on — that is the chant of the other Handmaids.
Although it was “only a television show” and these were actresses who would be giggling at coffee break, and I myself was “just pretending,” I found this scene horribly upsetting. It was way too much like way too much history. Yes, women will gang up on other women. Yes, they will accuse others to keep themselves off the hook: We see that very publicly in the age of social media, which enables group swarmings. Yes, they will gladly take positions of power over other women, even — and, possibly, especially — in systems in which women as a whole have scant power: All power is relative, and in tough times any amount is seen as better than none. Some of the controlling Aunts are true believers, and think they are doing the Handmaids a favor: At least they haven’t been sent to clean up toxic waste, and at least in this brave new world they won’t get raped, not as such, not by strangers. Some of the Aunts are sadists. Some are opportunists. And they are adept at taking some of the stated aims of 1984 feminism — like the anti-porn campaign and greater safety from sexual assault — and turning them to their own advantage. As I say: real life.


Any other reasons why women behave the way they do when in power over other women?


A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
Romany
Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:52:16 AM
Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 6/14/2009
Posts: 13,347
Neurons: 40,674
Location: Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Hope -

I am so glad you have finally put the record straight concerning Atwood.

Everything inside my Dram/Lit. mind rose up and exploded when I read Parsar's recent thread title about Atwood 'making a fool of' herself.

The irony of a person who regularly informs us that he is 'not very intelligent', 'doesn't read', is 'not well-educated' and who bases his information about the world from Fox and Brietbart; saying Atwood made a fool of herself, is however, very rich and, in the end, just gave me the giggles.

Atwood herself - whether one agrees or disagrees with all she says - is highly educated, fiendishly clever, and keeps up with her peers through voracious reading. She is a Literary Giant not just in Canada, but around the world and is quoted and referred to wherever intelligent discourse abounds.

Yet, in order not to upset Parsar and bring his wrath down upon us once more, we all kept mum about this lest we be accused of 'bullying' or 'terrifying' him and his 'many more people than you can imagine.'

Thanks for being a grown-up, Hope.
Andrew Schultz
Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 8:25:21 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 7/7/2015
Posts: 407
Neurons: 892,962
Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
Well, I think it is not necessarily restricted to women. The Stanford Prison Experiment is probably the big example of how people with a bit of authority can let it go to their heads.

But I think in general people can be tempted to act on their jealousy of other people's successes, including friends'. We all have our moments, but in the right environment, they are just that. A society that perpetuates jealousy (overdoing "competition is good") is horrible in many ways. And I think a lot of advertising, whether it deliberately MEANS to, gives the message that you SHOULD be doing better and you should be able to show it off.

I don't think I can fully identify with the characters of The Handmaid's Tale, and I think it would be wrong to say I did, because--well, I'm male. But I've read other banned books like The Chocolate War that discuss this sort of thing.

I particularly enjoy the idiom section of this fine website.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, May 13, 2017 4:25:13 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Have been watching the series - this one showed how easily the domination was achieved.

Tell the people that changes had to be made because of terrorists - so nobody objected. Then gradually erode independence of everyone but those at the top. The men were subjugated too but to a lesser degree, as social classes were dogmatically enforced by the military.

Make laws that being gay is an abomination, take away the female population's money and give it to the males, and then fire the females from their jobs, making them completely dependent. At that point there were protests - but they were overthrown violently.

Put those who love cruelty at the top and watch how quickly even the females adapt to being cruel when put in charge.

And watch the fear make the subjugated men and women obedient as they try to suppress their anger.

Today for the first time I speed watched quite a bit - couldn't stand the cruelty.

But through it all I suspect our heroine will do whatever she has to do to to survive, escape, and find the daughter they took from her after they killed her husband as they tried to escape from Maine to Canada.



A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 1:03:44 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
I forgot I had promised to let you know how well it was done. Well...

For anyone who didn't see the TV Awards Emmy Show tonight, "The Handmaid's Tale" ran away with the awards makiing Canadians prouder still of our author Margaret Atwood. Also, the show is filmed in and around Toronto and Hamilton, and the GTA. (Greater Toronto Area.)

Here are some pix of the locations.

https://torontoist.com/2017/06/where-the-handmaids-tale-was-filmed-in-toronto-part-one/

Elizabeth Moss and Ann Dowd won for their fabulous acting and as well as other awards, the show got best director and the big prize of Outstanding Drama Series.

The story and characters have over shone the cruelty and I am eagerly awaiting season two.

As well, the series about domestic abuse called "Big Little Lies" won several awards. There was a lot of diversity in the winners. A good night for women and diversity.

Stephen Colbert hosted and as well as some excellent lines of comedy from him, others got in some jokes that made us laugh. (I wonder who the tweets will target tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. as you know who was targeted on the show. They even showed the clip of him during the presidential debates complaining that his show had never won an Emmy.)

The big surprise was Sean Spicer appearing on the show.

Oprah presented the last award and Margaret Atwood was onstage with the Handmaid's Tale winners for the finale.

A lot of good TV shows were represented tonight, the award show was well done - and imagine this - finished on time!

(If you reread this thread as I did, the thread Romany was referring to is found here. http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst163910_Famous-novelist-makes-a-fool-of-herself--for-fair-minded-readers-.aspx)




A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
philips daughter
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:28:35 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 4/21/2017
Posts: 114
Neurons: 19,969
Thank you for these links. I am as ignorant of how to post a link as other people. I wish someone could show a link to the re-tweet trump posted of Ms. Clinton being hit and knocked to the ground by a golf ball hit by trump. This man is so very violent to women that Handmaid's Tale seems likely. I also have thought about how cutting Medicaid targets women because we are most likely to need it. I'm only on my phone so, I guess that limits what I am able to do.
almo 1
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:46:32 AM
Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 10/16/2016
Posts: 1,025
Neurons: 4,628
Location: Fussa, Tokyo, Japan



You mean this??













philips daughter
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 8:00:05 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 4/21/2017
Posts: 114
Neurons: 19,969
That's it. Thank you. This is deplorable and the people who support him even more. It is sickening what this man gets away with. The thoughts of what he is going to say at the United Nations today could send the world to war.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 8:36:27 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 9/21/2009
Posts: 39,991
Neurons: 307,544
Location: Helsinki, Southern Finland Province, Finland
Atwood is the best speculative fiction writer I know.

And Yes, I like her feminism too. It's not too anti-maleism ;-)


In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 1:58:49 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
JJ, any feminist, male or female, who is anti-male, does not understand the meaning of equality. To me they are not true feminists and do not deserve to use that term for themselves.

I have not delved into Atwood's attitudes recently any further than the above in this thread and on the thread of the posted link.

Just like trade treaties, it should not be a "win lose" either way, but a "win win" for both.

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:11:57 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thanks PD for mentioning this and Almo for posting the gif.

Watching the video turns my stomach. He thinks it is a joke to hit a woman with a golf ball! The man is seriously disturbed. In fact, I can't even watch him - his little fish mouth and what comes out of it, and his right hand with thumb and finger always together.

I guess enough people, including me, complained about all the photos of him in our paper every day so that they stopped printing it.

It really is awful what THEY let him get away with. Not just in his morals but in his financial ripping off if the public in many ways. I guess the percentage of deplorables still supporting him was not that much smaller than the half mentioned in the campaign.

Edited - Your mention of the UN reminded me - This is now the norm for "diplomacy" - call the NK leader "Rocket Man" and make him madder and more determined than rver.


Trump will never be accused of being a feminist. Or a golfer, for that matter, with that swing.

Let's hope he never decides to pick up a book and read this one of Atwood's. It might give him ideas.


A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:45:13 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
PD, I'm no expert but I think you would probably use too much data or phone time to source, copy, and then link it to TFD to post links using a phone - unless it is linked to WiFi.

If you would like to learn how to copy and paste a link on TFD, it is fairly easy.

You click on the green ball and chain and it brings up a window. I have to delete the http in the box before I paste my link. Click ok. It brings up another windwo where you type in the title you want and click ok.

Sometimes it accepts the link as is and you just paste it in a post without using the ball and chain feature.

.

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
leonAzul
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:25:18 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 8/11/2011
Posts: 8,128
Neurons: 25,817
Location: Miami, Florida, United States
Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
Atwood is the best speculative fiction writer I know.

And Yes, I like her feminism too. It's not too anti-maleism ;-)


Agreed, she is not anti-male at all, just very perceptive of how people of both sexes can be very cruel to each other and clueless, except for the one's who are not.


"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
leonAzul
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:41:40 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 8/11/2011
Posts: 8,128
Neurons: 25,817
Location: Miami, Florida, United States
Hope123 wrote:
PD, I'm no expert but I think you would probably use too much data or phone time to source, copy, and then link it to TFD to post links using a phone - unless it is linked to WiFi.

If you would like to learn how to copy and paste a link on TFD, it is fairly easy.

You click on the green ball and chain and it brings up a window. I have to delete the http in the box before I paste my link. Click ok. It brings up another windwo where you type in the title you want and click ok.

Sometimes it accepts the link as is and you just paste it in a post without using the ball and chain feature.

.


Erm, it's a "globe and chain" for a link to the internet—is there no balm in Gilead?
Whistle
Seriously, posting a link via phone only transfers the text from the phone, not the content of the link.

The automatic link-maker is not very reliable, especially if there are "funny" characters in the URI such as javascript or query code. It's best to use the button to wrap the text with the full markup for the link.

"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 4:21:58 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Leon,

But she could do it from a phone when it is on WiFi? Just like I do from the iPad?

I've never tried to do anything on my hand-me-down iPhone except phone, look at the calendar, and play bridge. It is so old (iPhone 4) it doesn't sync with our other Apple products but I only need it for emergencies and sitting in the doctor's office to play Bridge Baron. 😀

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
leonAzul
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:14:03 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 8/11/2011
Posts: 8,128
Neurons: 25,817
Location: Miami, Florida, United States
Hope123 wrote:
Leon,

But she could do it from a phone when it is on WiFi? Just like I do from the iPad?

I've never tried to do anything on my hand-me-down iPhone except phone, look at the calendar, and play bridge. It is so old (iPhone 4) it doesn't sync with our other Apple products but I only need it for emergencies and sitting in the doctor's office to play Bridge Baron. 😀


😀

It's easier to do with some phones than others, but if the phone can load the page and copy and paste, then it can be done, even over cellular data networks.

Yet now that I recall, iOS didn't have a proper copy/paste command until version 3 or 4?
Think

iPhone OS 3 is the third major release of the iOS mobile operating system developed by Apple Inc., being the successor to iPhone OS 2. It was announced on March 17, 2009, and was released on June 17, 2009. It was succeeded by iOS 4 on June 21, 2010; the new version dropped the "iPhone OS" naming convention.[1]

iPhone OS 3 added a system-wide "cut, copy, or paste" dialog bubble, allowing users to more easily move content. It also introduced Spotlight, a search indexing feature designed to help users locate specific information on their device, such as contacts, email messages or apps. The home screen was expanded to let users add up to 11 pages, showcasing a total of 180 apps. The Messages app received support for MMS, while the Camera app received support for video recording on iPhone 3GS, and a new "Voice Memos" app let users record their voice.


"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
leonAzul
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:51:54 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 8/11/2011
Posts: 8,128
Neurons: 25,817
Location: Miami, Florida, United States
But I digress.

I still haven't seen this production; I'll just have to wait for the DVD, or maybe work something out through Amazon.


Meanwhile, if you haven't already had the pleasure, I think you would appreciate The Blind Assassin very much.



"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
Hope123
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 9:52:57 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
https://www.inverse.com/article/20494-which-atwood-novel-tv-show-next

Leon,

This article was written in Sept 2016.

They haven't made a movie or series of the "Blind Assassin" yet, have they?

:::

I was curious...

On my iPhone 4 I was abe to copy and paste a hot link from Safari. I'm on the iPad doing this post so TFD will not let me sign in to the forum to see if it will paste there. I will have to sign out here and try. At least I assume that is why it won't let me sign in on the phone.

Edited - no, the forum site still won't let me sign in on the phone and it could be using either the phone or WiFi. When I click where it says Log in /Register all it will do is copy or define. It does not bring up the typewriter. So that is the limitation on my older phone. Maybe some time I'll try my husband's six or my son's probably newer than that number. He always has the latest for work.


A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
philips daughter
Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:29:25 PM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 4/21/2017
Posts: 114
Neurons: 19,969
Thanks for the instructions and I will try. I have a newer phone with WiFi. I can stream Handmaid'a Tale off my phone onto the TV. The phone does more than I know how to. Plus, I'm always afraid I'm being hacked. I'm cautious what I do on my phone. This one site I can get on and enjoy but, it's still a phone and hard to type on. You folks give me hope in these times. There's not a lot of it out here.
leonAzul
Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:07:56 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 8/11/2011
Posts: 8,128
Neurons: 25,817
Location: Miami, Florida, United States
Hope123 wrote:
https://www.inverse.com/article/20494-which-atwood-novel-tv-show-next

Leon,

This article was written in Sept 2016.

They haven't made a movie or series of the "Blind Assassin" yet, have they?


Not that I know of. It wouldn't be easy to translate to another medium.

It will be interesting to see how Alias Grace works out. I hope they don't water it down.

My first choice would be a feature-length version of Surfacing, directed by David Lynch. 8^)



"Make it go away, Mrs Whatsit," he whispered. "Make it go away. It's evil."
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:51:20 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Leon,

The success of "The Handmaid's Tale" has renewed my interest in reading or re-reading some of her books. I remember when I first read it when it was published that all I thought was how weird it was. How things change from impossible sounding to "could that ever happen?" I hear the series is about to really deviate from the book this season.

Atwood took on the late Rob Ford, Toronto's infamous mayor, over the cutting of library funding. He didn't even know who she was. It looks as if she will have to cross swords with his wealthy brother who is probably running for mayor, hoping to get his brother's "Ford Nation" to vote for him. They are/were all about "cutting the gravy train" (their motto) that didn't exist, and of course the first thing they want to get rid of by cutting funding is the arts.

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
almo 1
Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:51:43 AM
Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 10/16/2016
Posts: 1,025
Neurons: 4,628
Location: Fussa, Tokyo, Japan
Hope123
Posted: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:30:35 AM

Rank: Advanced Member

Joined: 3/23/2015
Posts: 7,279
Neurons: 42,042
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Leon, I recorded the first episode of “Alias Grace” and have it set to continue in a Series. I only got started to watch it when I was callled away and have not gotten back to it. But I'll try to remember to let you know how it goes. Looked interesting from what I saw. Watering down as far as flashes of what they did to her in jail was not done but I don't know about the plot of course with the little I saw.

A smile is a curve that sets everything straight. Phyllis Diller
Users browsing this topic
Guest


Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Main Forum RSS : RSS
Forum Terms and Guidelines. Copyright © 2008-2017 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.