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Joe Kim
Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 10:17:57 PM

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I will show you "the rolling"?
What does this mean?

Is this equivalent to 'I will show you how to roll'?

palapaguy
Posted: Sunday, July 02, 2017 11:04:27 PM

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Joe Kim wrote:
I will show you "the rolling"?
What does this mean?

Is this equivalent to 'I will show you how to roll'?



That depends upon context. For example, were the persons talking about a ship at sea? Or perhaps an automobile tire rolling down a hill?
Joe Kim
Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 12:27:00 PM

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Thank you.

The person was talking about general rolling, the movement of rolling. So when he says "I will show you the rolling", he wants to show the definition of rolling, so listeners would know what rolling means.

However, In this case "I will show you the eating, sleeping, cutting" should all work, but they don't seem (I am not quite sure though)

Then does "the +ing" mean different from what the person intended to say(general definition)? If so, what do they possibly mean?
palapaguy
Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 8:13:36 PM

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"The person was talking about general rolling." In that case "I will show you rolling." is sufficient.
Joe Kim
Posted: Monday, July 03, 2017 10:39:54 PM

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Thank you.

Then can you further explan about "the rolling"?

Or can somebody else chip in?
Ashwin Joshi
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:37:13 AM

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There is an age-old saying;

A rolling stone gathers no moss.

It means moss does not grow on those stones which go on rolling.

One has to be consistent to get benefits or be beneficial.

Me Gathering Pebbles at The Seashore.-Aj
palapaguy
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:53:15 AM

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Joe Kim wrote:
Thank you.

Then can you further explan about "the rolling"?

Or can somebody else chip in?

"... he wants to show the definition of rolling, so listeners would know what rolling means."

To find a definition of rolling, I would start with a dictionary.

I would suggest the same for "the rolling," which I believe is a misunderstanding.
thar
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 1:09:11 AM

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It is way too vague.

When you are baking, you roll the dough.
When you make a cigarette, you roll the cigarette.
When you make steel, you roll the steel.
When you want to express certain emotions, you roll your eyes.
A ship rolls in the sea.
A car rolls down a hill.
When you hit a drum repeatedly, you produce a drum roll
When news has continual coverage, it is rolling news
Etc, etc

Just to say you will explain 'the rolling' means nothing, without context.
In each case you could explain 'the rolling' but in some it would be showing you how to do it, in others why it happens, in others what it means.
Joe Kim
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 1:50:18 AM

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Thank you thar.

So you are saying that "the rolling" would be specific to contexts.
If the sea rolls and you want to deficit how it rolls, you would say "I will show the rolling", is that what you mean?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 4:01:07 AM

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Hello Joe Kim.

You understood thar's idea correctly - "the" adds the idea of 'specific'.
The grammar of it is not quite as you say.

"I will explain rolling." - this is totally unspecific, and you would then have to explain all the definitions of 'rolling' (a ball, a ship, a cigarette and so on).

To choose a specific one you would say:
"I will explain the rolling of a cigarette."
"I will explain the rolling of a ship on the sea."


You cannot just say "I will show you the rolling" - "the" says "I am going to be specific" and then you are not specific.



Wyrd bið ful aræd - bull!
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:23:36 PM

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There is one example I can think of for your sentence:

'We're going to teach you how to do the Rock'n'Roll. Thar will show you the rocking, I will show you the rolling.'

As you can see, the context is mentioned immediately before. On its own that sentence does not make sense.

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Joe Kim
Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 2:22:45 PM

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I got that.

Thank you everyone.
Joe Kim
Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2017 3:27:09 AM

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Another example of The + ing -- I wonder if this case is also acceptable.

A person is scratching a car and now there are lots of scratches on the car. To prevent the further damage, THE scratching should be stopped.

1. Is the sentence above using "the scratching" correct?

Now you are telling the damager to stop --
"Stop the scratching".

2. Is this correct Too? Or never! and always stick to no the? Even if it seems to me I am referring to the specific scratching.

3. Stop the scratches. - to mean scratching as in I need scratches (= I need scratching)
Romany
Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2017 6:01:47 AM
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Well not really, I don't think: "the scratching" doesn't just happen. A PERSON scratches the car - therefore THE PERSON should stop scratching the car.
Joe Kim
Posted: Saturday, July 15, 2017 7:38:05 PM

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Thank you and sorry but I couldn't get your talk at all.

Do you think you can answer specifically to my three questions?
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