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Koh Elaine
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 8:50:24 AM
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I would like to thank our Chief Priest, Reverend Ishikawa, and all our believers for their invaluable contributions during the past year.

Is the second comma needed in both British and American English?

Thanks.
NancyUK
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:10:18 AM

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Hi Koh Elaine

In my opinion, you do need both commas. This is parenthetical information (information which is not critical to the meaning of the sentence). You are giving the name of the Chief Priest.

If you omit it the second comma, the sentence could be read as having three distinct objects:

Our Chief Priest (unnamed),
Reverend Ishikawa and
All of our believers

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CarlosHRubio
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In this sentence:"I would like to thank our Chief Priest, Reverend Ishikawa, and all our believers for their invaluable contributions during the past year", If you want to put some emphasis on the name, I think it is fine. Otherwise it would not need any comma at all. And also I think, before the conjunction "and", a comma is not needed.
TMe
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:07:57 PM

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Welcome Carlos; I agree

I think no comma is needed in this sentence.

One more controversy, shouldn't it be 'valuable' in stead of "invaluable"?

Let teachers speak.

I am a layman.
Koh Elaine
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:48:08 PM
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TMe wrote:
Welcome Carlos; I agree

I think no comma is needed in this sentence.

One more controversy, shouldn't it be 'valuable' in stead of "invaluable"?

Let teachers speak.


TMe, can you tell me why it should be 'valuable' instead of 'invaluable'?
TMe
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:57:17 PM

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Koh see:

invaluableadjective
Of great value:
costly, inestimable, precious, priceless, valuable, worthy.
idioms: beyond price, of great price.

Simply because 'Valuable' is an ornate word.


I am a layman.
Koh Elaine
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:13:44 PM
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Thanks, TMe.

'Invaluable' also means 'extremely useful'.

The new job will provide you with invaluable experience.

Such data will prove invaluable to/for researchers.

(Cambridge Dictionary)
NKM
Posted: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:40:27 PM

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The sentence would work with both commas, or with no comma at all.

But if you use one comma, you need both of them.



"Invaluable" is more powerful than "valuable". If it's invaluable, it's worth so much that its value cannot be counted or estimated.

Koh Elaine
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Thanks to all of you.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:15:47 AM

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I agree on the commas - none or two, but not one.

On the 'valuable'/'invaluable' question - one needs to look at what the speaker means.
It may not be possible to judge unless you are the speaker.

"Valuable" means "having a great value" - This is a valuable ring, it is worth £10,000.

"Invaluable" means "being so valuable that its cost cannot be estimated" - This painting sold for £200 million, fifty years ago - now it is invaluable.

"Their contributions were valuable" - it's OK, they were worth something, they helped a bit.
"Their contributions were invaluable" - amazing, I can't say how much they have helped!

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Koh Elaine
Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:38:58 AM
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Thanks to all of you.

1. I would like to thank our Chief Priest, Reverend Ishikawa, and all our believers for their invaluable contributions during the past year.

2. I would like to thank Chief Priest Reverend Ishikawa and all our believers for their invaluable contributions during the past year.

If I'm not wrong, the second sentence without a comma is correct, as I have replaced "our Chief Priest" with "Chief Priest". Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 11:47:08 AM

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Definitely yes.

You are using 'Chief Priest' as a title of address (like 'Mister' or 'Reverend' or 'Professor').

Now you have a double title, but it does not have a comma.

I have not seen that combination before, but I've seen similar:
The Reverend Sir John Cavendish. (He's a minister of the church and a Knight)
The Very Reverend Father Provincial Thomas R. Smith .
The Very Reverend Vicar General James Dean.
The Right Reverend Bishop William Scully of Baltimore.


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Koh Elaine
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Thanks, DragOnspeaker.
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Welcome, Koh.

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