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Spring Equinox, Eostre, Persian New Year Options
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, March 19, 2016 11:52:58 PM

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An important day in the calendar in the ancient and modern worlds.
Mid way between mid-winter and mid-summer, it was named Eostre after the goddess of Spring in the Celtic world, symbolised by March Hares and eggs - which later, of course, graduated into easter bunnies and easter eggs.



This turning-day of the year is also considered to be the first day of the new year in some areas - particularly ancient Persia (and thus Iran).

Happy new year to anyone in that area, and happy solstice to everyone.


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Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:11:27 AM
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And to you, Drago.

I'm curious: I've mentioned before how in rural England, Ireland and Wales knowledge of, and respect to the Auld Yins never actually disappeared but was kept alive even through all the religious wars and persecution.

But the stern Scottish Presbyterian tropes which sprang up seems to have taken a firmer view of the old ways? Did they survive 'underground' as it were, in Scotland?
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Happy first day of spring, Drago, Romany, and all Freedelphians! Some nice pix on this weather channel website.

https://weather.com/science/weather-explainers/news/vernal-equinox-first-day-of-spring-2016



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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:47:53 AM

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Thanks Drag0n, and Happy Palmusunnuntai to you, too!




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Thank you DragOnspeaker. This holiday is also the celebration of 'Easter', (March 27, 2016) which is celebrated as the day of Jesus Christ's resurrection, however, His resurrection was on the 'Feast of First Fruits', which is April 24th this year. Most Christians will be celebrating this 'pagan holiday' which usually falls on the same weekend...without a thought of its origins.

As a 'born again' believer, and those who are likeminded, have a Blessed Resurrection Sunday.

"God graced us with today....don't waste it." hedy
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:01:11 PM

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Hi hedy!

Yes - next Sunday is the actual Easter - Resurrection Day celebration.
A worthy thing to recognise in itself, unmixed with the other spring celebrations.

Hello JJ!
Yes - it's Palm Sunday or "Olive Branch Sunday" here too, though there is little actual celebration of it.
In the churches (at least Catholic ones) strips of dried palm-fronds will be presented to everyone at Mass (I assume this is still done) and they make crosses of them.



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Drag0nspeaker
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Almost missed it . . . Spring Equinox was about three hours ago - half-way between midwinter and midsummer.

Summer starts in six weeks! Yea!


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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Happy new year to anyone in that area, and happy solstice to everyone.

That's something different. :)

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We've had mostly spring for some time now! It was 65F or 18C here yesterday - in Southern Ontario on March 20th! We just hope the blossoms don't come out too soon and then be killed if it gets colder again.

Happy Spring Equinox!



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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
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Hope123 wrote:
We've had mostly spring for some time now! It was 65F or 18C here yesterday - in Southern Ontario on March 20th! We just hope the blossoms don't come out too soon and then be killed if it gets colder again.


Isn't it wrong to consider this the first day of spring?

In our tradition March 1 is the first day.

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Merry Days Drago, and everyone.

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Drag0nspeaker
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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:

Isn't it wrong to consider this the first day of spring.

In our tradition March 1 is the first day.


It's a bit odd here too.

Astronomically, Midwinter is the 23rd of December so six-and-a-half weeks after that (about the first of February) is the start of Spring. Mayday (May first) is the start of Summer. November the first is the start of winter.

Traditionally in Britain, it was mainly the mid-points which were celebrated - the longest day (midsummer around the twenty-second of June), the first dawn after the longest night (about the twenty-fifth of December) and the two solstices.
Mayday, as the return of Summer, was also popular.
Hallows on the thirty-first of October was the start of winter and the feast of the dead (now Halloween).

In recent years, calendar-makers have agreed arbitrarily to say that the solstices and equinoxes are the beginnings of the seasons, rather than the mid-points.
So you find midsummer's day in calendars as the first day of summer d'oh! and the Spring Equinox as the fist day of spring.


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Hope123
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We have always heard about March 21st being first day of spring but have always considered it to be a bit ridiculously early as spring never really comes here until at least the first week of April. I have seen blizzards in Southern Ontario as late as April 10th. It would definitely not be the mid point of spring here. That's usually the begining or middle of May. I have seen us with winter coats on for the May 24 weekend.

But equinox really just means equal day and night.

They are forecasting an easy finish to March this year. We have had the heat mostly turned off for about three weeks. Of course we live in a condo facing west.

They say it has been the easiest S. Ontario winter ever where I live, but I can't comment personally because I have not spent winters here for 25 years.

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This is about the celebrations of the spring Equinox in Mexico. The serpent bit really is interesting considering how many years ago the Mayans did this. And it goes the opposite way for the fall equinox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymRgLITylz0&sns=em


Mayan Serpent and Equinoxes

"Spring equinox in Teotihuacán is an annual event which takes place around the 20th and 21st of March at the pre-Hispanic site of Teotihuacán, Mexico. This event is mirrored by other similar events in other pre-Hispanic sites such as Chichén Itzá and Malinalco, Mexico State."


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There are two first days of Spring officially here, Meterological and Astronomical Spring.
When does Spring Start?

For Metrologists it starts on the 1st of March as they use the calendar months to,base their calculations on.
Astronomical Spring varies slightly this year it s the 20th of March, but sometimes it the 21st, as the year is not exactly 365 days long, it's the same reason we add a leap year every 4 years.

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Sarrriesfan wrote:

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The seasons are defined as spring (March, April, May), summer (June, July, August), autumn (September, October, November) and winter (December, January, February).

That's exactly how I understand it.

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The astronomical calendar determines the seasons due to the 23.5 degree tilt of the Earth's rotational axis in relation to its orbit around the sun.

Would you venture to explain this to a child? I've been educated in Physics and still it gives me the willies.

Three white horses take me away - December, January, and February

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I know this is an old thread, but it's a new year, so...:)

The Old Icelandic calendar doesn't recognise spring - you have two seasons - skammdegi -Short days- and náttleysi - nightless.

There is a month numbering system, but it only goes up to two. :)

Short days are gormánuður (slaughter) Ýlir (Yule) mörsugur (fat-sucking) Þorri (frozen snow) Góa (daughter of Þorri) and Einmánuður (One!)

Then in summer it is the months of goddesses - Harpa, Skerpla, then the sun, Sólmánuður, and haymaking - Heyanni

There is also Sumarauki - added summer, which is extra time added on to match the year, between Sólmánuður and Heyanni. This year not just 4 days are added but also an extra week. 11 free days.

Then the second month - Tvímánuður, and autumn month - Haustmánuður before winter starts again.

Góa is the women's month where men bake for the women of the house and give them presents in appreciation. The first day is wife day, and the last day is góuþræll.


In 2017 the last day of Góa is on 20 March and the first day of Einmánuður is 21 March.


Góa makes sense. You kill the animals, and settle in for the winter. Any woman who can preserve food, and keep feeding her family through the winter deserves to be appreciated at the end of it!
There is a more modern tradition of a feast, Góublót (although the tradition might be ancient, certainly food is more readily available now) to match the "man's" feast Þorrablót.

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Meteorologists define the beginning of spring as the first occasion on which the average daytime temperature exceeds zero degrees Celsius for seven consecutive days, thus the date varies with latitude and elevation.

This year we are in springtime already in Southern Finland. In Northern Finland and Lapland it's still winter.

Have some great time, everyone!




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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
Would you venture to explain this to a child? I've been educated in Physics and still it gives me the willies.

You will probably find better explanations (it's a lot easier if you have a model in the room with you - a globe of the Earth and a table-lamp in the middle of the room).


Basically - the Earth revolves around the Sun each year. It also turns round each day.
However, the two 'rotations' are not aligned properly, they are at a twenty-three-and-a-half degree angle to each other.



This means that for half of the year, the northern hemisphere is nearer to the sun than the southern hemisphere - and for the other half of the year, it's the other way around.
This means that for half the year, the 'day' in the northern hemisphere is longer than twelve hours, and for the other half of the year it's shorter.

On the day of the equinoxes, the day is twelve hours long everywhere, and the night is twelve hours.

The longest day of the year is called the summer solstice, or "Midsummer's Day" and is the middle of summer - so Summer starts six-and-a-half weeks before that, and ends six-and-a-half weeks after that.
This is when the north pole is "pointing towards the Sun".

The shortest day of the year is called Midwinter. It is the middle day of winter - about the twenty-third of December in the north.
Sunrise on the twenty-fifth is noticeably earlier than the day before, which is why that was chosen as the celebration of a new era, a new world. The days stop becoming shorter on the twenty-second, and appear to begin to become longer on the twenty-fifth.

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So, if midwinter is late December, and Midsummer is late June, and each season is considered to be three months . . .
Summer (to have its middle near the end of June) must start near the beginning of May and end near the beginning of August.

This fits with the English traditional festivals to welcome in the summer in the first week in May.

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"Unite and unite and let us all unite,
For summer is acome unto day,
And whither we are going we will all unite,
In the merry morning of May.

With the merry ring, adieu the merry spring,
For summer is acome unto day,
How happy is the little bird that merrily doth sing,
In the merry morning of May.
"



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thar
Posted: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:31:00 AM

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Resulting in....(No Livingston diagram, just Edinburgh)



Of course there is a Livingston in Texas (and I am sure a few others around the world).

Pity the poor souls who don't have long winter nights and long summer evenings....




Seasons rock! Whistle


Actually, although I mock its boring relationship with the sun, Livingston Texas does look like a nice place to live - lake, national forest. Handily located for prison and oil refineries...Whistle


Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
You will probably find better explanations (it's a lot easier if you have a model in the room with you - a globe of the Earth and a table-lamp in the middle of the room).

Thanks for the picture but I know what the equinoxes and solstices are. :)

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So, if midwinter is late December, and Midsummer is late June, and each season is considered to be three months . . .
Summer (to have its middle near the end of June) must start near the beginning of May and end near the beginning of August.

This fits with the English traditional festivals to welcome in the summer in the first week in May.

To me the only thing that matters is weather, especially temperatures. I've stolen a picture from this Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow



You can see that the hottest months are June, July, and August while the coldest - December, January, and February. The same kind of picture you will find in this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London



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