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China Just Gave T a Valuable Gift He's Been Trying for Ten Years to Get Options
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:40:18 AM

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A week after T met with China, he got a valuable gift in the form of his trademark name that he has been trying to get for ten years. Billions of dollars worth. Fishy? Conflict of interest rears its ugly head. Very smart for China. They now have something to hold over him.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/17/news/companies/trump-china-trademark/


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/donald-trump-impeachable-offense?ref=yfp

Story will probably be buried.

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OnTheVerge
Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:04:09 AM

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Yes Hope, this is true. and we will never hear the end of it from 45 and his unhinged ravings, like the ones that were in his press conference the other day. It's also worse than just a conflict of interest, it's a blatant violation of the emolument clause of the U.S. Constitution. Which states:

"No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state."


He cannot use the excuse that the "conflict of interests" clause doesn't apply to the POTUS, because unlike "COI's" this clause applies to ALL government workers, elected or not, including, and especially, the President!

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progpen
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:03:50 AM

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Hope123 wrote:
A week after T met with China, he got a valuable gift in the form of his trademark name that he has been trying to get for ten years. Billions of dollars worth. Fishy? Conflict of interest rears its ugly head. Very smart for China. They now have something to hold over him.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/17/news/companies/trump-china-trademark/


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/donald-trump-impeachable-offense?ref=yfp

Story will probably be buried.


We will simply not let it get buried. If the Internet has any value at all, it's that nothing is ever truly buried. I'm posting this elsewhere and mentioning it to others. If enough of us do this, it will not get buried.

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:17:03 AM

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OnTheVerge wrote:
accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

This is ridiculous. How do you expect him to reject this "present". Do you want him make Chinese authorities reverse their decision?

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
progpen
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:20:33 AM

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
This is ridiculous. How do you expect him to reject this "present".

I'm pretty sure, "no thank you" would suffice here.


Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
Do you want him make Chinese authorities reverse their decision?

Of course. Without doubt.

Be kind but be fierce. You are needed now more than ever before. Take up the mantel of change. For this is your time.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:28:16 AM

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progpen wrote:
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
Do you want him make Chinese authorities reverse their decision?

Of course. Without doubt.

He's already doing that. USS Carl Vinson has just come to the South China Sea. :)

აბა ყვავებს ვინ დაიჭერს, კარგო? გალიაში ბულბულები ზიან.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:23:21 PM
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The Chinese keep account. Going back hundreds of years. They know to the nearest cent exactly how much America owes them. They remember the slights by Condaleeza Rice, the Western (fake?)reporting of the 'Tibetan Riots', the humiliation of their leaders by America...they remember - and every single incident has a price tag.

This is what I've been trying to get across - even under surveillance when I lived there - for a long time. It's all very well to inculcate one's citizens with the idea that their country is 'the greatest'. Hundreds of cultures do. But to approach a culture like China with the arrogance and superiority that being a "Great" human being gives to some, has been a huge mistake. China KNOWS it is the best.

So it can give out bright, shiny things - they're past masters of the art. But you'll also find those itemised at the bottom of the bill: - if ever they decide to use it as the leverage it unarguably is.
Romany
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The Chinese keep account. Going back hundreds of years. They know to the nearest cent exactly how much America owes them. They remember the slights by Condaleeza Rice, the Western (fake?)reporting of the 'Tibetan Riots', the humiliation of their leaders by America...they remember - and every single incident has a price tag.

This is what I've been trying to get across - even under surveillance when I lived there - for a long time. It's all very well to inculcate one's citizens with the idea that their country is 'the greatest'. Hundreds of cultures do. But to approach a culture like China with the arrogance and superiority that being a "Great" human being gives to some, has been a huge mistake. China KNOWS it is the best.

So it can give out bright, shiny things - they're past masters of the art. But you'll also find those itemised at the bottom of the bill: - if ever they decide to use it as the leverage it unarguably is.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:23:22 PM
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The Chinese keep account. Going back hundreds of years. They know to the nearest cent exactly how much America owes them. They remember the slights by Condaleeza Rice, the Western (fake?)reporting of the 'Tibetan Riots', the humiliation of their leaders by America...they remember - and every single incident has a price tag.

This is what I've been trying to get across - even under surveillance when I lived there - for a long time. It's all very well to inculcate one's citizens with the idea that their country is 'the greatest'. Hundreds of cultures do. But to approach a culture like China with the arrogance and superiority that being a "Great" human being gives to some, has been a huge mistake. China KNOWS it is the best.

So it can give out bright, shiny things - they're past masters of the art. But you'll also find those itemised at the bottom of the bill: - if ever they decide to use it as the leverage it unarguably is.

As I keep pointing out: China has no plans for war because it doesn't need them. They, more than most, understand the fiscal and human cost of war.

All it has to do is sidle up to the American Pres. murmuring "Your bill, sir.".
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:31:45 PM
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Romany
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:45:41 PM
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Thanks so much for posting that, Almo,...I feel vindicated!

Been saying too, that this is one country where the art of statecraft, and the art of diplomacy, have been developed over centuries of 'glorious' history in which China led the world. It is an art-form, almost. It has to be studied (I know quite a few people on this forum have read The Art of War.) People dealing with China need to be aware of how one gesture, a facial expression, an awkwardly-said word, one's table manners: all of these can affect communication, understanding and, finally, agreement.

To have some functionally illiterate, absolute 'barbarian' blundering around in blissfull ignorance is offensive to them. (In fact, even the red colour of his face renders him pig-like and offensive to many of them.)
progpen
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:24:13 PM

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Romany wrote:

Thanks so much for posting that, Almo,...I feel vindicated!

Been saying too, that this is one country where the art of statecraft, and the art of diplomacy, have been developed over centuries of 'glorious' history in which China led the world. It is an art-form, almost. It has to be studied (I know quite a few people on this forum have read The Art of War.) People dealing with China need to be aware of how one gesture, a facial expression, an awkwardly-said word, one's table manners: all of these can affect communication, understanding and, finally, agreement.

To have some functionally illiterate, absolute 'barbarian' blundering around in blissfull ignorance is offensive to them. (In fact, even the red colour of his face renders him pig-like and offensive to many of them.)


We have a cultural memory that spans thousands of years up against the memory of a US President that is less than 140 characters. This won't end pretty.

Be kind but be fierce. You are needed now more than ever before. Take up the mantel of change. For this is your time.
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