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progpen
Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:42:12 AM

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http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/11/solar-advocates-staved-off-amendment-1-what-to-expect-now.html

Opponents held their ground Tuesday as Floridians rejected a ballot measure that opponents maintained would have put into the state constitution a presumption that solar panel users are not paying their fair share of the costs of maintaining the electric grid.

There is a good chance this amendment would have passed because of the wording of the amendment, but loose lips sink ships and someone from the utilities couldn't help but brag about Amendment 1’s “incredibly savvy” use of “political jiu-jitsu” to “completely negate anything [solar advocates] would try to do . . . down the road.” From that point on, Amendment 1 was largely held to be in the interest of utilities’ shareholders, rather than in electric customers’ interest, and Amendment 1’s support eroded quickly.

Really, all this means is that net metering is still under attack. That "political jiu-jitsu" is the utilities lashing out at anyone and anything that looks like change.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. ― Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Prodan
Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2016 6:44:53 PM
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d'oh! Dead on Brother,I voted NO. Have owned stocks over the years And I love Solor. But I'm not voting for alll the attachments included Thank God the People spok.
progpen wrote:
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2016/11/solar-advocates-staved-off-amendment-1-what-to-expect-now.html

Opponents held their ground Tuesday as Floridians rejected a ballot measure that opponents maintained would have put into the state constitution a presumption that solar panel users are not paying their fair share of the costs of maintaining the electric grid.

There is a good chance this amendment would have passed because of the wording of the amendment, but loose lips sink ships and someone from the utilities couldn't help but brag about Amendment 1’s “incredibly savvy” use of “political jiu-jitsu” to “completely negate anything [solar advocates] would try to do . . . down the road.” From that point on, Amendment 1 was largely held to be in the interest of utilities’ shareholders, rather than in electric customers’ interest, and Amendment 1’s support eroded quickly.

Really, all this means is that net metering is still under attack. That "political jiu-jitsu" is the utilities lashing out at anyone and anything that looks like change.
Andrew Schultz
Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 1:19:09 AM

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I'm glad this got caught, but it worries me how much that sounds good and isn't, can get through with just a tricky phrase here or there. It's tough to know how to keep vigilant and still, well, live our lives without worrying about tricky details like this.

I particularly enjoy the idiom section of this fine website.
progpen
Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:06:00 AM

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Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

----George Orwell


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. ― Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
mactoria
Posted: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:10:35 AM
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Progpen: thanks for posting. Glad Floridians didn't fall for the trickery of the non-renewable energy industrial complex. It's too bad that the "Sunshine State" only gets a half-percent of its energy from solar; didn't say anything about use of wind power(?). As of 2015 Calif gets 6.7% of our power from solar, 5.3% from windpower (a renewable, though it brings really ugly "windmills" to what otherwise is lovely open land), and the trend keeps growing. Recently reported that during sunny days the state authority that manages our power grid (initially started to prevent energy brownouts or blackouts) now tells large "solar farms" to shut down to prevent overloading the power grid, which evidently would cause, of all things, a brownout due to surge. On sunny, windy days, California has TOO MUCH energy. Per the authorities, it's easier to shutdown solar farms than non-renewable energy providers which can take hours to power up/down. Storage for solar is terribly expensive so solar farms and individual solar panel owners mostly don't store (now some talk of creating an energy grid across states to trade back and forth as needed, though concern about coal/gas companies taking over the grid and crushing solar/wind). One of our large Utility Districts in northern Calif (which generate power through a combo of hydroelectric dams, natural gas) is turning a nuclear plant voted shut yrs ago into a solar farm. Floridians are missing out, but it requires political will to stand up to gas/oil/coal industries. Maybe the vote against this bad amendment last week is the beginning: Floridians have to stop voting in governors and legislators that are more committed to lobbyists and industries than to the voters' best interests.
will
Posted: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:25:05 AM
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Another example of how much effort goes into supporting the status quo. If you want people to believe the myth that x, y or z is not possible -- be it clean energy, social democracy or equality -- you need to make sure those alternatives are kept in check and the system must work only in your favour.


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