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Poetry can be boring, songs can be more interesting Options
rogermue
Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 1:17:56 AM

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See the text of Liz Phair: Every time I see your face
I get all wet between my legs.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lizphair/flower.html

Any views about this courageous song?
Midobecker
Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 2:27:33 AM

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You call this interesting?
rogermue
Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 2:47:19 AM

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It is interesting because it is a new genre of topic in poetry.
There are enough poems about spring time. But the sexual area is seldom touched.
And if only indirectly.
And it needs courage to choose such a topic. Everybody knows such things, but nobody
dares to speak about them.

When Henry Miller wrote about his sexual experiences in Paris, his books were forbidden.
It needed a law suit after twenty years or so to acknowlege the literary value of his books.
For some Henry Miller is world literature.
Peter O'Connor - Dundalk
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Gee - while I appreciate the sentiment - I have to tell you I'm in a relationship. For over 30 years - too late to change course now. Whistle
Peter O'Connor - Dundalk
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Actually - seriously. If a man wrote like that, perhaps right, he would be roundly condemned. Brick wall
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The song is double barreled.
Romany
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Roger - two comments -

If you find some poetry boring....
And if you have never read any modern poetry.... (obviously - as you have the idea that speaking openly about sexual matters in poetry is 'unusual')......

then I suggest you are reading the wrong kind of poetry. Back in the 70's Penguin used to publish a series of books called "Modern English Poets" (meaning poets who wrote in English - not poets who live in England) - so I would suggest you try to find one or two of that series (in which, incidentally, I am present under my real name, starting at age 16) and I think you'll be very surprised. Your ideas about "English poetry" v. songs may undergo a huge change!

Actually, songs - with repetitive choruses; with noises instead of words ("Uh-uh-uh- staying alive...!") with nonsense syntax ("I'm a gonna...") ...come a poor second to me, compared with the ambience conjured up in:

"Night,
and the yellow pleasure of candle-light....
old brown books and the kind, fine face of the clock
fogged in the veils of the fire - it's cuddling tock."

(OK so that one isn't sexually orientated - but it shows how much more evocative poetry can be to songs).




rogermue
Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 2:32:12 PM

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Romany, I know poetry and I know even Charles Bukowski with his sex poems. And I know
that most pop songs are silly and can't hold water to real poetry.
But what I find fascinating is the difference in reception. Who reads poetry and how often?
And compare it to the millions of young people who know almost every song, even if those songs
seldom have any real content. But as to impact and influence pop songs today have taken the place
poetry once had. And one must say, a lot of poems have no real content either. (But of course,
there are gems and jewels.)
Dreamy
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For me writing prose and poetry satisfies a creative desire that also encompasses my landscaping and woodworking interests.

Reading other people's poetry is less satisfying.

A columnist I follow recently stated that poetry isn't very popular because to most it has no purpose.

I remember a University lecturer enthusing about the sexual innuendo in a poem, and while pursuing knowledge and wisdom from biblical sources I discovered that the OT book called "The Song of Solomon" is laden with sexual imagery.

Song Of Solomon 4:5
"Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies."


Song Of Solomon 4:12-16
"A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,
Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.
Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits."


And good music that accompanies good poetry...
Keep this, for 'tis deep to thee a well of sweet refreshment.

Job 33:15 "In a dream, in a vision of the night, When deep sleep falls upon men, In slumberings upon the bed;" Theology 101 "If He doesn't know everything then He isn't God."
rogermue
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Ah, a connoisseur of poetry. They exist. Thanks for your contribution, Dreamy.
Gary98
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rogermue wrote:
See the text of Liz Phair: Every time I see your face
I get all wet between my legs.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lizphair/flower.html

Any views about this courageous song?


That is not song, porn may be.
Gary98
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rogermue wrote:
See the text of Liz Phair: Every time I see your face
I get all wet between my legs.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lizphair/flower.html

Any views about this courageous song?


That is not courageous. Some kids are having sex in public. Mind you are not being blown away.
rogermue
Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 5:38:37 PM

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Sexual things have been a topic in literature since 2000 years, see
the Gilgamesh epic and the Bible, after all, the sexual drive is one
of the strongest.

One has to be careful with the term porn.It is very difficult to distinguish
between porn and not-porn. Even law courts had to reverse some judgements
after twenty or thirty years.

Sexual topics were tabu around 1900 and a relatively harmless novel like
Lady Chatterley was judged as obscene at first. Today the book is considered
world literature.

And in our time our attitude towards sexual topics has changed. I did not say
that the text of Phair was literature or poetry. It is a song text with a new tone
and a new subject. And I find the text great because it is fresh, has drive, and
calls things by their name.
NKM
Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 8:57:45 PM

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More outrageous than courageous, seems to me.

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Most of the Art forms are like that! Their beauty lies in beholder's eye!What is cheap now may end up as a classic over time!
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rogermue wrote:
See the text of Liz Phair: Every time I see your face
I get all wet between my legs.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lizphair/flower.html

Any views about this courageous song?


Hi Rogermue,
I also wonder why you think this is a courageous song? I am not disagreeing with you as I know we all have our own definitions of things. But I don't get the word courageous from the song. I went to the link you gave and here are all the lyrics. I wonder if this song would give young people, high school kids in particular the wrong idea about a very complicated topic, Sex.

Actually, some parts of the song seem to be suggesting rape. (This would definitely be considered rape if a man said it. "I want to fuck you like a dog/ I'll take you home and make you like it."

Other parts of the song could be considered to be about pedophilia. "You act like you're fourteen years old/ Everything you say is so/ Obnoxious, funny, true and mean/ I want to be your blowjob queen...I just want your fresh young jimmy/ Cramming slamming ramming in me."


This song has left me totally confused at to its meaning. While I won't call it pornography, I do think it is a stretch to call it poetry.

Just my opinion.




"Flower"


[high part:]

Every time I see your face/ I get all wet between my legs / Every time you pass me by / I heave a sigh of pain

[low part:]

Every time I see your face/ I think of things unpure unchaste/ I want to fuck you like a dog/ I'll take you home and make you like it

Everything you ever wanted / Everything you ever thought of is/ Everything I'll do to you/ I'll fuck you and your minions too

Your face reminds me of a flower/ Kind of like you're underwater/ Hair's too long and in your eyes/ Your lips a perfect suck me size

You act like you're fourteen years old/ Everything you say is so/ Obnoxious, funny, true and mean/ I want to be your blowjob queen

You're probably shy and introspective/ That's not part of my objective/ I just want your fresh young jimmy/ Cramming slamming ramming in me

Every time I see your face/ I think of things unpure unchaste/ I want to fuck you like a dog/ I'll take you home and make you like it

Everything you ever wanted/ Everything you ever thought of is/ Everything I'll do to you/ I'll fuck you 'til your dick is blue
kdabber
Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:26:09 PM

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I see nothing poetic in that line.

In any public restroom you may find such lines scrawled on the wall in lipstick.



Illegitimi Non Carborundum
twinsonic
Posted: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:15:23 PM

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What's "courageous?" It's merely another "song" out to get shock value by being what the artist considers edgy.
It's not what I would consider poetic. Just because lines rhyme doesn't make it poetry!
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