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pljames
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:09:07 PM

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What exactly is criminal justice? I heard where a man killed his wife and kids did a plea bargain and only got five tears in prison. What's wrong with this thought? I understand there is certain circumstances in each trial, but come on death is death accidental or with a motive. Is morals being left out in the court room? Paul
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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:47:27 PM

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You must realise that there is a legal system and a justice system. The legal system deals with criminal matters, the justice with civil matters.

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thar
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:37:37 PM

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Prisons are overcrowded, trials are expensive. Doing a deal solves both problems. There are certain realities in this world. Move along there...
pljames
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:08:39 PM

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thar wrote:
"Prisons are overcrowded, trials are expensive. Doing a deal solves both problems. There are certain realities in this world. Move along there..."


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Why are prisons overcrowded? Why are trials expensive and move along to What? I am looking for (Justice not reality).Paul
Boogeyman
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:19:39 PM

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When man finally gains the ability to travel quickly between the stars, the first use for such technology will be for the military, the second use will be for porn (alien and zero gravity will become its own sub-genres), then the third use will be to create an off world penal colony.

Convicts will receive a short survival course, one of those silvery thermal blankets, a hunting knife, then be shipped off never to return. It's inevitable. Not only will it save money, but it will also get rid of the 3% to 4% of the population that causes most of the crime and disruption. Australia didn't turn out so bad. I predict a "down under" type world after only a few generations.

As for fairness and justice, the legal system has only a passing acquaintance with the concept. Almost none of the officers of the court have fairness and justice as their prime motivator. The same goes with those who create the law. This truth is as disturbing as the fact that police (at least here in the state) do not have an absolute duty to protect you - a fact upheld in court. The police are there to enforce the law, and often to put as many people in jail as possible. Low numbers earn them a chewing out by their superiors, undesirable assignments, and denied promotions. District attorneys are there to put you in jail, guilty or not. Convictions and years sentenced is how success is measured for them. Public defenders have no great incentives to fight hard for the poor they are forced to represent. They are really only there to facilitate plea bargains. Even private defense attorneys don't really care if you're guilty or not. They are just talented mercenaries, people fighting wars they have no stake in for cash.

It's best not to study the thing too closely or for too long. It can make one long for a tribal/Mad Max kind of society. While brutal, private justice in such a situation has the virtue of often being direct, short, and proportional. The only alternative is mercenary lawyers, corrupt politicians, and often sadistic police and prison guards.

Writing is not something to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards. Robert Heinlein
thar
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:21:08 PM

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pljames wrote:
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thar wrote:
"Prisons are overcrowded, trials are expensive. Doing a deal solves both problems. There are certain realities in this world. Move along there..."


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Why are prisons overcrowded? Why are trials expensive and move along to What? I am looking for (Justice not reality).Paul


Um, I can't answer the second bit, but the 'move along' was the justice service to the prisoner, 'get on the conveyor belt....' as well as 'nothing to see here...'
excaelis
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:39:14 PM

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The criminal courts are concerned with neither morals nor justice. They are concerned with the law. End of.

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Criminal Justice deals with criminal not civil matters.
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