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Joseph Glantz
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:18:06 AM
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What do I really need to know if I'm buying a digital camera?
Blodybeef
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:44:55 AM

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You need to know, that the camera has a decent lens.
You may search for comparisons in these two internet sites :
http://www.dcresource.com/
and
http://www.dpreview.com/

these two sites have very in depth product information, previews, and reviews.

Also, they will recommend according to your needs / preferences.
You also will find some sample photos taken by the cameras you wish to be acknowledged upon.

Personally, even if I live in another country and have the risk of not finding the models discussed there, I still use them for tracking new technologies in digital photography.

May you find the best lights in your shots,
may your hand be steady in night photograpy,
and may your shutter release button not delay at the time of photographic occurance.

:)


Yes! -Anonymous
MarySM
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:24:36 AM

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I would like to make some very mundane suggestions. My first digital camera was so complicated that I needed three programs to get my images from the camera to a cd so that I could print them out at a store. It was so expensive to print photos at home that I had to limit what I printed at home and have them printed elsewhere. The card that my camera used could not be read by the photo printing machines that are available at the stores I frequented and that created the need to put the photos on a cd for printing.

Now I have a wonderful 8.2 mega pixel camera and I can simply insert the card into my computer for viewing on a large screen and insert it into a viewer/printer at the store and print out my photos.

It's simple and far less expensive.

"He who never made a mistake never made a discovery." Samuel Smiles
Blodybeef
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:32:44 AM

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I bought my first digital camera in 2002. Back then storage cards really were a huge problem. But now I print my own photos.

Given the fact that when I want to print something, almost always I am either out of paper or out of ink :)

In densely populated areas like Istanbul, going to a shop to have your photos printed is really not a big problem...
The shops usually have better printers and more durable photo papers.
The ones I first printed (and they were printrd in 2006) started to look pale already.

Yes! -Anonymous
Christine
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:49:59 AM

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pixels, the highest is good.

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Blodybeef
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:54:02 AM

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Christine wrote:
pixels, the highest is good.


Well, I would hate to object, but, no. It does not work like that.

Higher pixels only mean you can have a larger print, not a better print. It also does not mean that the colors will be brighter, close-up shots less distorted, etc.

But, it does not mean otherwise as well...

Actually 3 mp cameras ore ok for 10x15 cm standard prints.

You should try the camera, get an opinion from someone you trust before deciding.

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driven
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:49:57 PM
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Image stabilizer really helps. Optical zoom is nice too.
Raparee
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:10:50 PM

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It really depends on how you are going to use the camera. Are you looking for a professional camera for high quality images or something you can lug around with you for decent quality picture at a fraction of the price and without all the bells and whistles? Once you know exactly how you're going to use the camera (which I'm sure you do, though we don't), you can drastically narrow down your options. My big questions are image quality, battery life (and type of battery), storage space, and ease of computer compatibility.

Then I would google search the cameras that interest you and look at a lot of reviews, both professional reviews (I'm very fond of CNet) and user reviews. While there is some debate that user-posted reviews may be paid endorsements, you can actually get a decent sampling of products if you take them as such. Searching this way will also help you get an idea of the range of the cost of the cameras you like so you won't be ripped off when you buy it.


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RuthP
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:11:06 PM
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Simplicity of use.
Try out the menu. Do you want point and shoot or are you familiar with f-stops and aperture v. shutter priority? You'll want a menu that puts the function you most use in convenient places, and if f-stop and the priorities are a foreign language, start with a high- or low-end point and shoot. They take excellent pictures, don't cost nearly what the SLRs and other high-end cameras do.

Consider size. Unless you have a quasi-professional use or need big prints, you can get excellent pictures from a pocket-sized point and shoot. And I guarantee you will use it more, because you'll have it with you.

Consider a view finder, which is getting increasingly difficult to find other than on SLRs and other high-end cameras. It drives me nuts to do without (I'm learning), but my child is far more comfortable using the screen.

Consider batteries, how expensive, how available, are they rechargeable. I am personally enamored of cameras that take AAs. I can use rechargeable batteries, but still pick up disposables if I cannot recharge.


Picture quality
Pixels count, but not as much as people think. 5 megapixels (maybe 3) and above are probably fine, unless you do large prints or posters.

Sensor size counts, the larger the better. Makes for sharper pictures and better low-light function.

Color rendering. There are differences in how cameras reproduce colors. If you already have a printer for your pictures or a processing service you use, try taking the same photo with different cameras and see which pictures are more to your liking.

Image stabilizer This is really great. It saves a lot of shots. Performance differs from camera to camera.
TL Hobs
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:51:35 PM

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Reparee and RuthP are both right on! It makes no sense to buy a high end DSLR and be confused by it if all you want are snapshots. Conversely, you will be challenged taking some types of photographs with a low end point-and-click camera, although it is not impossible to take interesting photographs with one. Andy Warhol did a pictorial article for Playboy once using a simple Polaroid camera.

There are several high end consumer cameras that are inexpensive, easy to use, yet offer many complex functions to those who chose to do so. I have several cameras of different types and love my Olympus SP570UZ, which is in this category. It has a 25-540mm zoom lens, 10MP sensor, has automatic settings, or allows me to control it entirely. It also has a built in flash and a "shoe" that lets me use an external flash.

Budget is another consideration not mentioned. If you have the jack, you may want a little more than you need and grow into it as you gain more experience, if that appeals to you.

There are many sources for reviews of any particular camera you may be considering to buy. Take them with a grain of salt and read more than one. Some are biased for obvious reasons. They are a good way to learn about the features of a digital camera.

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Joseph Glantz
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:04:25 PM
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Thanks all. Actually, I'm not sure what I want to use it for. Vacations and family yes - but also some semi-professional to maybe complement my writing. Logic says to start with the basics and upgrade later. Your replies will help me choose a good basic camera and give me thoughts for a later upgrade.
nooblet
Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09:34 PM

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When buying a digital camera, do not confuse digital zoom and optical zoom. Optical zoom does not lose quality the more or less you zoom in. Digital zoom pixelates everything because it uses an algorithm to expand the size of the image, rather than refocusing the lens.
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Posted: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:57:34 PM

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I am being 100% serious when I say that having a higher zoom does not make the camera go faster.

As with any small electronic device, pay attention to:
- The interface (is it going to be a pain to use it because it takes too long/is too hard to learn?)
- Durability (does it break easily? Will it stand up to the conditions in which you intend to use it?)
- Compatibility (what do you want to connect it to? Make sure it works with those.)

These are generic, but hopefully helpful. I'm not too educated on cameras specifically, but I do love gadgets. Best of luck!
Nibbles
Posted: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:49:52 AM
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wait a few months, there will be a 'better' camera.
Epiphileon
Posted: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:52:53 AM

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Joseph Glantz wrote:
What do I really need to know if I'm buying a digital camera?

I used to be quite an avid amateur photographer in the pre-digital days, and was very disappointed with every one of the point and shoot digitals I've ever used. Recently however I received a DSLR the Nikon D3000 and am completely thrilled with it. I am learning all of it's intricacies now, at a leisurely pace, however it does have an excellent fully automatic mode, (point and shoot). The picture quality is fantastic, and I would definitely recommend this camera with no hesitation.

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nooblet
Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:02:26 PM

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There are only two problems with DSLRs. The first is that even the cheapest ones are a few hundred dollars. That's a bit higher than a lot of the point-and-shoot digital cameras. My girlfriend has a Canon RebelXT, which is one of the cheaper DSLRs, and it cost her between $200-300 used. The second problem is that the lens makes them bulky.

But yes, DSLRs are hands down superior to point-and-shoot cameras. However, you typically need to get at least two lenses if you plan on doing portraits and landscapes, and those lenses aren't too cheap, either.
Newmackem
Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:04:16 PM
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You need to know very little. Just point and shoot. Mistakes no longer matter. The delete button works every time. I am on my third digital camera, a Fuji FinePix 12 Megapixel. I have wasted money on all kinds of books and magazines to try and become an expert. Believe me, Speak to the hand trial and error works best.
ahidayat08
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:31:48 AM
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Keep in mind as you look at cameras that the price quoted may not be the final outlay that you need to make as there are a variety of other extras that you might want (or need) to fork out for including:camera case,memory cards,spare batteries/recharger,lenses,filters,tripods/monopods,external flashes,reflectors.


Bogdanv
Posted: Monday, January 25, 2010 5:23:40 AM
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Get a Cannon for the beggining. A DSLR camera. Like 500D EOS.
reymarkacain
Posted: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:11:47 PM
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before buying a digital camera,

first, set a budget before buying a digital camera.
Second, buy a camera that matches your needs
third, Read Digital Camera Reviews

Clement
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:35:44 PM
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If you need to ask this question, I am assuming that you are perhaps a neophyte? User-friendliness, of course. Most digital cameras, from sophisticated DSLRs to the point&shoots, use memory cards. So that is a given. Zoom capability might be one consideration. Ease of handling, i.e., it should not be burdensome to tote around.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:01:30 AM
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I'm sure you now have all you need to make an informed decision Joseph Glantz. Just one thing that irritates me is the length of time it takes to charge and the relatively short battery / charge life. I have a really superb camera which is capable of doing amazing things, but the battery is a source of constant frustration. When choosing your camera, find out as much as you can about this seemingly small issue. Enjoy the search.

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drzolla
Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:12:45 AM

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http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/?tag=hdr;snav or, simply, Cnet.com is a great site for rankings, reviews, features, etc. It contains a plethora of info to help you decide on the best digital camera for you.
Tovarish
Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:08:56 AM

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To all the digital camera people out there, I don't know if you can understand this, but-
I was a trainee photographer in the 60's, the most wondrous time for photography, it was a romantic time, and a time for artists.
I was a hand colourist, negative retoucher and junior photographer. When I opened two studios of my own, I covered everything from Birth, Deaths & Marriages.
I was also the official Police Photographer for fatalities before it became a real job. On CSI it is all so
intense. I loved every thing about photography at that time.
I sold my studios because of my family needs. I still judge at exibitions, and love the art, BUT I dont own a didital camera.
I have not wanted to get into this topic before this, because I feel like a dinosaqur, I still own and use a Nicon & a Mamiya, and am happy with my F-stops. One day they will stop making film for me.
Happy shooting!
RuthP
Posted: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:39:53 AM
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Tovarish,

I doubt they will stop making film within my lifetime, though certain kinds will drop (Kodachrome) and film will likely become a small-production specialty item (with price to match). I suspect film photography will become a hobby once more, similar to its beginnings.

If you have never tried digital photography, you should give it a whirl. Immediate feedback is fantastic, though I use cameras with big, replaceable cards and don't delete shots until I have them on a computer screen for a look. It is phenomenal to be able to bracket to your heart's content without having to worry about the time (or cost) of developing.

Try this link NYT: David Pogue, digital cameras under $300, 3 Feb 10. These are a couple of steps below a digital SLR, but some will give you f-stop control.

P.S. OM2N and a lot of Tri-X Pan; never professional.
Tovarish
Posted: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:28:46 PM

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thank you for replying Ruth, I thought my thread must have been boring.
TL Hobs
Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:06:10 AM

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Better late than never, but I, too, am an old photographer from the B&W days. I began in the 1960s with a 35mm SLR and a Yashicamat TLR. I still have those cameras.

In fact, I have over 300 film cameras dating back to 1875, including wood boxes to modern digital cameras in every format. 110,220, 620, 10mm, 35mm, 70mm, 3x5, 5x7, 8x10, etc.

If interested, I want to find a good home for them, at a reasonable price.

I have antique darkroom equipment, too. Enlargers, timers, print frames, easels, tanks, etc.

I could go on. My collection covers over a century of photography. I don't need it anymore.

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Tovarish
Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:28:59 AM

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Great to hear TL, It was a great era. You must have a wonderful collection.

The camera I used most was a Mamiya RB 67, 2" and a quarter X 2" and three quarters. Used 120 roll film. Wonderful enlargements, and kept the clarity & definition.
Great days & great experiences.

How can you beat the local Doctor phoning from the hospital, "I have this really wonderful placenta I want you to photograph"

The only thing I ever refused was a job where I was to go up in a Cessna with no doors and photograph a dam.
But he had a seat belt, so what was the problem?. Ha

The Mafia funerals were pale compared to heights.
grammargeek
Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:19:59 PM

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While I am strictly an amateur photographer and have never had a dark room or lots of equipment, I, too, still prefer my film cameras. I have kept my two 35 mm cameras, and like Tovarish, I am also afraid that it won't be long before I cannot find film to use in them.

In the meantime, I have gotten a digital camera, but I'm still learning how to use it. Not exactly being a computer wiz, learning how to use any new gadget that requires interfacing with my computer tends to ramp up my anxiety level. Over the Christmas holidays, I decided to get serious about taking photographs with the digital camera, but I'm such a goofball with these things that I'd snapped about 50 "pictures" when I realized that only three of them "took" because apparently I did not hold the button down long enough. UGH! I went back and shot all of those same pictures over again! After all, it was my first white Christmas. I was also documenting the individual pieces of a ceramic Nativity Scene that my mother had made.

One day I will learn how to do all of this; at that point, I'll feel much more confident about it. Who knows? Once I get used to it, I may even prefer using my digital camera to one of my 35 mm's. Right now it's hard for me to imagine, though.

Last night I was watching a movie on DVD, and it was a biopic set in the late '60's. Love of photography (though the subject matter of the photos was not very noble) played a big role in this movie. Lots of Polaroids were taken before digital cameras offered immediate viewing without first going to a film processor. I never owned a Polaroid camera; did any of you? I did, however, have a little Kodak Instamatic like the one featured in one scene. The little flash "cube" on the top of it had me waxing nostalgic.

TL, your collection must be fantastic. Whether still functioning or simply being part of a tangible narrative of the history of photography, a collection of 300 cameras is huge. How have you managed to find space for them all of these years? Maybe they should go into a museum somewhere.

Tovarish, it sounds like you've had some incredible experiences as a photographer. And I'd also have thought "the dam bedamned" if it required going up in a small airplane with nothing more than a seat belt to keep me from falling out. Yikes!
Tovarish
Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:55:52 PM

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Yes GG, I have a real problem with heights.

I had a Polaroid Passport camera, that took 4 photos at once, it was very heat sensitive but useful for the purpose.

Maybe if I look at a digital camera as a hole new medium, I may be able to get by it.
But nothing could take over from the big guns. I loved all the manual settings, just cant come to terms with auto focus, or not putting my eye to the viewfinder.

It was a wonderful era in Photography.
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This January it was even in the news - the whole Europe was short of film. People have found old cameras again.
I have two digital cameras but I still use my Canon AE-1. I like to compose the pic with camera, not with PC.
Not that I could call myself a photographer.


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TL Hobs
Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:43:04 PM

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The TV/family room in my house is in the basement. One end wall is shelved from floor to ceiling and full of cameras and paraphrenalia. There are large format cameras on tripods and on top of tables. I spent one winter cataloging all of them and creating a spreadsheet to identify the camera, lens and shutter, with values, for each one. At the same time, I cleaned and tidied up each one. All of them are in working condition. I gave a presentation of them one night to a Photographer's Guild. I brought 50 cameras with me and discussed how I came about collecting them. The local newspaper wanted to write an interest story on the collection, but I refused. I don't want the attention.

My interest in photography began in the 1960s when I was on board a US fast attack submarine on Cold War patrols in the Arctic Ocean. We would not admit to having photo capability using the periscope, so no Photographer's Mates were assigned to the ship's roster. Members of the crew volunteered to be on the photo team. I did this for 5 years. We used 70mm Haselblad cameras with motor drive film advance and an assortment of lens. We had a darkroom that had to be set up and taken down after each use. I went to school for technical training in photography. I had to learn the artistic aspects of it on my own.

Since then, I worked part time as a micro-photographer while in college for the Animal Science Dept. at the University. Later, I was an aerial photographer and photogrammetrist for an engineering firm. Nowadays, I only take photos for pleasure, trying to record some of Alaska's scenic beauty. It is impossible to take a bad photo in Alaska.

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Tovarish
Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:12:20 PM

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What a wonderful experience you have had with service related photography.
I once spoke to a WW11 arial photographer, their equipment was really very primitive.
The Hasselblad is a terrific camera, very similar to the Mamiya, but neither that I have used had a motor drive.
Very manual with interchangeable backs, & a cock to shoot process. But lenses to die for.
Still back to this hanging out of planes, must be a man thing.
SamTHorn
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Thanks for those review links. I found them very informative. There are some very good points made in this thread as well.

Thanks for sharing.

~ Sam
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The first thing that you should set out for is to decide an approximate budget on how much would like to spend and then decide what features or at-least what purpose would you be using the camera for. If this has been done even Google could help you select a good one based on your requirements and then for a second opinion you could have some reviews about the camera that you are going to buy. This is what I followed and came across Cannon PowerShot SD960 IS. Though it is a slightly over my budget but as far as I know it is completely worth it. Though I haven't finalised it and still continuing my research for a better option.
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