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The ubiquitous question of who created God is simply answered in these few words: "No-one, that is why He is God."Having read the thread about the creation of matter and the resultant opinions, I wish to make the point that if everything about God could be comprehended by the human brain He wouldn't be much of a God, and would not be worth worshipping since humans would be His equal. By definition God is the always existing uncreated being in whom all things have their beginning and ending. Is it not therefore oxymoronic to ask who created God?
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Dreamy wrote:The ubiquitous question of who created God is simply answered in these few words:
"No-one, that is why He is God."
Having read the thread about the creation of matter and the resultant opinions, I wish to make the point that if everything about God could be comprehended by the human brain He wouldn't be much of a God, and would not be worth worshipping since humans would be His equal.
By definition God is the always existing uncreated being in whom all things have their beginning and ending.
Is it not therefore oxymoronic to ask who created God?
why do YOU put a gender upon Deity? is your Deity all of everything masculine?
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Nibbles wrote:Dreamy wrote:The ubiquitous question of who created God is simply answered in these few words:
"No-one, that is why He is God."
Having read the thread about the creation of matter and the resultant opinions, I wish to make the point that if everything about God could be comprehended by the human brain He wouldn't be much of a God, and would not be worth worshipping since humans would be His equal.
By definition God is the always existing uncreated being in whom all things have their beginning and ending.
Is it not therefore oxymoronic to ask who created God?
why do YOU put a gender upon Deity? is your Deity all of everything masculine? As a biblical theologian I follow the convention of using He, Him, and His when referring to God. Why is "la table" feminine in French? Convention.
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This question won't find an answer even the atheists themselves can't answer it As you said because he is the God, so no one can create him. 
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"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further". -Richard Dawkins, biologist and author (b. 1941)
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I doubt you will be able to dodge the question with such a postulation. Depends on your audience of course.
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What created the cosmos? Nothing, the cosmos always has been, it is that, within which everything has its' beginning and end.
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Dreamy wrote:Is it not therefore oxymoronic to ask who created God? No. I would describe it as a Catch-22. An oxymoron is two contradictory terms placed together (i.e. conscripted volunteer, genuine imitation, or random pattern). However, your question is basically asking if God created man or if man created God. What came first the chicken or the egg? It is a question that is impossible to answer because God is different to every person and, as far as I know, there is nobody alive who was around when the universe began so there is no one who can provide a true answer, only their own theories.
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It is oxymoronic for a believer of creation; but, for others...?
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I've another question to this question; if you were not introduced and offered to worship what is called GOD who has created everything, and you just opened your eyes and found yourself in this universe and saw the LIGHT, would you ask, who has created this light and lightness?
Why everywhere is not dark? The answer is because there is light. The absence of light is darkness.
Another point, somebody tell me what's this called in philosophy "to answer a question with a question"? I just want to know the term, even if not related to the topic.
And I know, actually I did not answer your question by my question, but it can help to ruminate over the discussed subject to reach to an answer,I suppose!
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Who created God who created the world?.
This question is the most stupid and fragile question we ask, why? . because it based on Measuring Representation which is full of deception that is subjected to measure one thing on the provisions of other things. This question mix between characteristics of the creator and who been created. For example, if the carpenter manufactures your door, can we say in this case that merits or the qualities of the carpenter is the same as the door?. The door is a wood, painted .Therefore, the carpenter is one thing and the door is completely different. If we say the qualities of the creator (in this case the carpenter) is the same as the manufactured thing. Then the carpenter is door and the door is carpenter.
Secondly, the question itself originated wrongly because we all have knowledge in our mind that built over years from the perception and experiences that comes from our life. These experiences have made images inside the brain. So if a new thing comes up, we compare it with all the perceptive knowledge we acquired. For instance, we experience mercy in life and when we hear that God is merciful, we knew the meaning of that and then we say God must be most merciful. When we expernice justice, so we have the image of justice in our minds, so we could accept the fact that God is full of justice, and so on. However, when we hear that God is the first and no one before him, we do not understand that because there is no image in our mind of anything in the world is the first and nothing has come before it. Here where the confusion comes from....so inability to imagination does not deny the thought. For example, no one could imagine the sound speed of a half millions/second, but we believe in mathematical calculation. We also read that the waves that make the pink colour have speed of sixty thousands per inch .no one could imagine that, but again you would believe when it calculated. Here the question we always hear, people say if the God is there, why there is misery, wars and destruction, why some are sick and other are humiliated etc. In this case, the non believe does not comes from rationality or inability to think but rather a psychological reactions to events
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Epiphileon wrote:What created the cosmos? Nothing, the cosmos always has been, it is that, within which everything has its' beginning and end. Who created time?
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early_apex wrote:Epiphileon wrote:What created the cosmos? Nothing, the cosmos always has been, it is that, within which everything has its' beginning and end. Who created time? I'm sorry I should have quoted the statement that my post was in response to. Dreamy said, "By definition God is the always existing uncreated being in whom all things have their beginning and ending." I was attempting to point out that the same thing can be said of the cosmos.
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The question is one of so called confounded questions, there are no answers to them.
- Russians says "prokljatije voprosy" Frenchman "les questions maudité".
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early_apex wrote:Epiphileon wrote:What created the cosmos? Nothing, the cosmos always has been, it is that, within which everything has its' beginning and end. Who created time? Is time an abstraction of one of the dimensions in which we exist, the dimension that we use to measure change in state? I can easily spend time, waste time, measure time, kill time, pass time, look back in time, and watch time go by. The trick of going back in time, or leaping forward in time, is beyond my capabilities, unfortunately, but not beyond any stretch of my imagination.
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God seems to show up pretty regularly on these forums... so I'll just chime in with a little commentary, and a little spiritual experiment that we can try.
Is there a God? Who/what or how was the universe created? What happened before the beginning of time? What is "beyond" the universe? Who created God?
Anyone who gives a single, simplistic answer to any of these questions and then leaves it at that is missing the point. These questions are not meant to be answered. They are, essentially, unknowable. They are meant to be reflected upon like a Zen koan. Once someone actually gives an answer to any of these questions not only is that person wrong, but they forego the power of the question to create the sense of wonder that is the best tool our limited consciousness has to reach outside itself and connect with an external reality.
Please feel free to consider me an infidel, fool or otherwise Hellbound as you might be inclined. But if you take a moment to reflect on what that might mean before closing the door on your own conclusions, you might actually be on to something....
If one asks the question, "Does God exist?" it doesn't matter which way you go, you can still find a sense of wonder and astonishment at the answer. The answer itself is not important. It is the sense of wonder that is the significant (and really only quantifyable) aspect of answering the question.
Then one can reflect upon any or all of the the questions above, and if you feel inclined, you can even reflect upon what it means that we can so easily formulate questions for which there are no answers. What does that tell you about the matrix of reality and consciousness? Now if you take a moment, you'll recognize that the sense of wonder created by this process of reflection is rooted in your own being--your physical body. If you take just a second to look at that sense of wonder you can actually feel it coursing through your body and mind as a palpable force that is different from your waking mind, your intellect or even the energy that gives you life. You can feel it down through your fingertips and the heels of your feet.
That's your soul.
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Well and beautifully stated Geeman. What of Gnosticism as well? I tend to lean towards a more Gnostic and Rosicrucian spiritual philosophy, when I'm not contemplating Atheism and questioning myself, or contemplating my own demise.
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TIME DOES NOT EXIST. IT IS AN INVENTION OF HUMANS. WHAT IS THE UNIT OF ONE SECOND AFTERWARDS????? WHO GAVE IT TO US AS THA MATTER WAS????
NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT GOD.
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No - He was created by the collective consciousness of humankind and that is the only place he exists. Ask yourself - where was God in the days of the dinosaurs? Where will he be if an asteroid impact or other global catastrophe wipes out the human race? No humans, no consciousness , no God!
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nevthenomad wrote:No - He was created by the collective consciousness of humankind and that is the only place he exists. Ask yourself - where was God in the days of the dinosaurs? Where will he be if an asteroid impact or other global catastrophe wipes out the human race? No humans, no consciousness , no God! So, the collective cosmic conception is truly Deity? We are all made of the same stuff, essentially, atomically, stardust more or less? Including Deity?
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nevthenomad wrote:No - He was created by the collective consciousness of humankind and that is the only place he exists. Ask yourself - where was God in the days of the dinosaurs? Where will he be if an asteroid impact or other global catastrophe wipes out the human race? No humans, no consciousness , no God! Yes he was. And it was given a gender too. Like you say, when a global catastrophe occurs, who is going to believe in HIM?? My be the souls in heaven and hell!!!!!
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Nibbles wrote:
Well and beautifully stated Geeman. What of Gnosticism as well? I tend to lean towards a more Gnostic and Rosicrucian spiritual philosophy, when I'm not contemplating Atheism and questioning myself, or contemplating my own demise.
I think the gnostics created a great foil to the elaboration of the simple concepts presented by the judeo-christian (lower case letters...) masters. Gnosticism has some really great first principle ideas that work just like the questions above. That aside, it's a great counterpoint that drags people back to the fundamental ideas that are the real source of our spiritual/soulful/consciousness development. But, personally, I am hesitant to embrace elaborations upon first principles in theology because I find they wander away from much more valuable, basic concepts. Religion is, to me, a kind of extensive construct connected to first principles, but almost always designed to create a system of control over how individuals are allowed to experience the sensations that are really easily accessible by almost anyone. Ritual is valuable only to that extent that it really does connect us to something outside ourselves. Gods are important only to that extent that we reflect upon them and use them as a fulcrum for our own development. Once any theology starts to label real world philosophies or even objects as good, evil, or more spiritually connected than anything else, I think they start to lose credibility and connection to the things they purport to represent. In certain cases, I think they even go right off the deep end in a way that I can't help but find ridiculous. When I'm feeling unkind, I've referred to various faiths and myths as "Dungeons & Dragons for monkey brains" and the leaders of those religions as "bad Dungeon Masters." I feel bad about that comparison, honestly, because it is needlessly satirical but also because it's just not fair to Gary Gygax.
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Margarit Bamllari wrote:TIME DOES NOT EXIST. IT IS AN INVENTION OF HUMANS. WHAT IS THE UNIT OF ONE SECOND AFTERWARDS????? WHO GAVE IT TO US AS THA MATTER WAS????
NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT GOD. The measurement of time is an invention of humans, time is not independent of space, that is why many times you hear the term spacetime. Time is not an invention of humans, unless of course a human caused what is, to be, what is.
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Geeman wrote:
In certain cases, I think they even go right off the deep end in a way that I can't help but find ridiculous. When I'm feeling unkind, I've referred to various faiths and myths as "Dungeons & Dragons for monkey brains" and the leaders of those religions as "bad Dungeon Masters." I feel bad about that comparison, honestly, because it is needlessly satirical but also because it's just not fair to Gary Gygax.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Made me laugh so hard had to dry my eyes.
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Epiphileon wrote:Geeman wrote:I feel bad about that comparison, honestly, because it is needlessly satirical but also because it's just not fair to Gary Gygax. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Made me laugh so hard had to dry my eyes. Glad you liked it. It was a lot of fun to write.
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early_apex wrote:
Who created time?
Dunno, but little late he was.
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Geeman, thank you for bringing some semblance of sanity to an otherwise insane or inane (innate??) world of Dungeon Masters gone awry.
Dreamy poses the question, Is It Oxymoronic To Ask Who Created God?
I don't think it oxymoronic, and I think it healthy to question any Dungeon Master of their true intent. I think it unhealthy to question anyone's faith, yet healthy to question anyone who professes their faith as the only faith.
By they way, if one hasn't yet read The Bible According to Mark Twain, uhhh by Mark Twain I believe, well, one isn't missing much, at least not much of nothing.
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Epiphileon wrote:Margarit Bamllari wrote:TIME DOES NOT EXIST. IT IS AN INVENTION OF HUMANS. WHAT IS THE UNIT OF ONE SECOND AFTERWARDS????? WHO GAVE IT TO US AS THA MATTER WAS????
NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT GOD. The measurement of time is an invention of humans, time is not independent of space, that is why many times you hear the term spacetime. Time is not an invention of humans, unless of course a human caused what is, to be, what is. Epiphelion: Even the term spacetime was created by humans if not by GOD. Space and matter (not time) exist regardless of us. And will exist timeless.
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Margarit Bamllari wrote:Epiphileon wrote:Margarit Bamllari wrote:TIME DOES NOT EXIST. IT IS AN INVENTION OF HUMANS. WHAT IS THE UNIT OF ONE SECOND AFTERWARDS????? WHO GAVE IT TO US AS THA MATTER WAS????
NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT GOD. The measurement of time is an invention of humans, time is not independent of space, that is why many times you hear the term spacetime. Time is not an invention of humans, unless of course a human caused what is, to be, what is. Epiphelion: Even the term spacetime was created by humans if not by GOD. Space and matter (not time) exist regardless of us. And will exist timeless. I may be mistaken, but the term space-time was first coined by Albert Einstein, and elaborated upon by Hawking and Ellis in Dr. Hawking's now famous doctoral dissertation, The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time or maybe it was Voltaire who actually first wrote 'space and time'? no wait, it was Aristotle, no wait... it was... maybe, Euclid? GOD? The Generator of Diversity?
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Alpha and Omega. No man comes to the father except by Jesus. It is written. The law is for unbelievers and the Spirit of Truth for those that believe. I say this not to convince but that God is my witness to this statement. That and the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. Good night.
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Dreamy wrote:
Is it not therefore oxymoronic to ask who created God?
Yes.
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GOD? The Generator of Diversity?
Ahh, now I see, God is in the randomization of the gametes.
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I'd rather think of it as a paradox...
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Christine wrote:"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." fallout.
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