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[A blue car] [stopped at the gate]
As it was explained for me the predicate can be a) 'stopped at the gate' or b) 'stopped' only depending on the coutry and grammarians.
What's the situation with the subject?
It is 'a blue car' only or some consider 'car' being the subject?
(In Russian 'car' is the subject and 'blue' is the modifer)
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when talking about complete subject and predicate "A blue car" is the complete subject and "stopped at the gate" is the complete predicate. "blue" modifies what color the car is, and "gate" modifies where the car stopped. {I'm not an English expert  }
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Yes, I think that I understood it. But, Rosicrucian, my question remains the same :). Is 'car' alone considered by anyone as the subject? 'A blue car' is the complete subject. May somebody say that 'car' in 'non-complete subject' or something like this?
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"Car" is the noun. "Stopped" is the verb. "Blue" is the adjective, modifiing the noun. "at the gate" again modifies the noun.
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PransomeHince wrote:"Car" is the noun. "Stopped" is the verb. "Blue" is the adjective, modifiing the noun. "at the gate" again modifies the noun. well, it's parts of speech. I would love to know about the subject as an element of the sentence :)
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A (simple) clause consists of a subject and a predicate. The subject is typically a noun phrase, though other kinds of phrases (such as gerund phrases) work as well, and some languages allow subjects to be omitted. The predicate is a finite verb phrase: a finite verb together with zero or more objects, zero or more complements, and zero or more adverbials.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:A (simple) clause consists of a subject and a predicate. The subject is typically a noun phrase, though other kinds of phrases (such as gerund phrases) work as well, and some languages allow subjects to be omitted. The predicate is a finite verb phrase: a finite verb together with zero or more objects, zero or more complements, and zero or more adverbials.
Yes, some languages indeed allow subjects to be omitted – Russian, for example. :) Let's compare. [A blue car] [ stopped at the gate] THE PREDICATE Russian – 'stopped' is the predicate. ('at the gate' is the adverbial). English – a) 'stopped at the gate' is the complete predicate b) 'stopped' is the predicate (by some grammarians) THE SUBJECT Russian – 'car' is the subject. English - a) 'a blue car' is the subject b) does anybody consider 'car' as a subject or only 'a blue car' can be considered as the predicate in this sentence?
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Al Blanco wrote:Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:A (simple) clause consists of a subject and a predicate. The subject is typically a noun phrase, though other kinds of phrases (such as gerund phrases) work as well, and some languages allow subjects to be omitted. The predicate is a finite verb phrase: a finite verb together with zero or more objects, zero or more complements, and zero or more adverbials.
Yes, some languages indeed allow subjects to be omitted – Russian, for example. :) Let's compare. [A blue car] [ stopped at the gate] THE PREDICATE Russian – 'stopped' is the predicate. ('at the gate' is the adverbial). English – a) 'stopped at the gate' is the complete predicate b) 'stopped' is the predicate (by some grammarians) THE SUBJECT Russian – 'car' is the subject. English - a) 'a blue car' is the subject b) does anybody consider 'car' as a subject or only 'a blue car' can be considered as the predicate in this sentence? No. A _ car is subject, blue is it's attribute. Stopped is predicate, at the gate is adverbial. That saying, I'm native Finnish, not English.
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
No. A _ car is subject, blue is it's attribute. Stopped is predicate, at the gate is adverbial.
That saying, I'm native Finnish, not English.
I don't think that it is that simple. http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst4360_What-is-the-predicate-.aspxAnd according to classical British grammar the modifier ('a blue') is definitely a part of the subject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_(grammar) I wonder is it so everywhere in English-speaking countries.
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