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Supernatural creatures most familiar to American children Options
Mullan
Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:24:07 AM
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Hi everyone,
I need advice on what types of supernatural creatures are the most familiar to American children, which ones are the most popular or just which ones come first to the mind of an American. Nowadays as well as in the past. I'm intersted in land creatures only.
I'm writing a story in which the main character is thinking for some time about such creatures and I'd like the names of these to match the setting and the character's origin.
I'd be grateful for recollections of the ones you believed in when you were children. :)

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:54:34 AM
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I remember the fairytale of "The Three Billygoats." There was a creepy creature called a troll who lived under a bridge the billygoats had to cross.
I was a child many decades ago. I also remember creatures called gnomes. Fortunately, I didn't believe in any of these creatures because they appeared in fairytales and we all know that fairytales are not for real. Dancing I am not sure that these characters had supernatural powers, but they were the antagonists in many a fairytale.
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:24:28 AM

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When I was a kid there was a creature called a 'Getchegume' (pronounced-Get-cha-gu-me). I lived next door to and hung around with kids that belonged to the Navajo and Apache tribes. A Getchegume is a creature that lives in the wilderness and will creep into villages and take children away. It is most attracted to the children that are the loudest and most unruly. The angry spirits that cause the child to be loud and bad is what attracts the Getchegume to that child. Happy spirits that are present when children are playing and being loud because they are happy and playing with one another do not attract the Getchegume, only the angry, bad spirits do this.

I grew up in the American southwest and spent many summers with my friends on both the Navajo and Apache reservations. To tell you the truth I have never heard anyone else, outside the tribal community, ever speak about this creature. This may be confined to Native American folklore.

I hope this may help you in some way.

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Mullan
Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:40:52 AM
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Thank you.
@Yakcal, your response might not be very helpful to me as I want something more typical, recocnisable to everyone, but Getchegume is interesting as well, so thank you. :))

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:53:35 AM

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This article might help you to start:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/american+folklore


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marjowil
Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:28:36 PM
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I would say most typically children in America would have nightmares about witches, who tend to be villains in stories, along with (less common) ogres or trolls. They would also definitely know wolfmen, vampires and also men who might be trying to catch them or kill them, like a serial killer.

You could also safely say wild animals such as lions, tigers, bears, and also mean dogs.

I am native from the midwest U.S. I read a lot of fairy tales as a kid. Now most fairy tales are influenced by Disney, where the villain might be an evil stepmother or a wizard. But witches I think would be the most universal.
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:51:51 PM
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I'm thinking Big Foot might be very characteristic of America. Kind of a mythical, half-bear, half-cave man creature in the woods. While it might not be the most common subject of children's dreams, I can see it could be a believable possibility for an American in particular.
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:54:30 PM
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don't know if this fits your mold but;

the wizard of oz, the tin man, the wicked witch of the west, the good witch, the scarecrow, the cowardly lion and the rest of the cast.
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:54:51 PM

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I was afraid of the "boogie man" when I was a child. Of putting my feet over the edge of the bed if it were dark, in case "he" was under the bed.
Witches.
Ghosts.
I grew up in California.
My teenage daughter mentions unicorns, dragons, trolls, ghosts, fey-folk (but admits they aren't common in the US), and Big Foot. Animals that talk, like frogs (? I have no idea what she is talking about!).
Mullan
Posted: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:35:08 PM
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Thank you all for the answers and for the link, Jyrkkä Jätkä.
I haven't finished searching for more information about the creatures you mentioned but for the time being I'm thinking of gnomes, witches and dragons as the most typical, and suitable for my story, too.
However, the ones I found on the free dictionary site are interesting as well. And inspiring. E.g. the squonks, really.

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
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Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:12:05 AM

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Kardashians.


Very creepy.

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Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:11:10 PM

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From http://hundredmythologyhaiku.blogspot.com

Identified as the protector and guardian spirit of Mount Katahdin in what is now the state of Maine, the Pamola is characterised as having the head of a moose, the body of a human and the talons and wings of an eagle.

A spectacular bird creature from Native American tradition, tribes such as the Abenaki and Penobscot respect Pamola as a thunder god who brings cold weather and comes down hard on the humans it resents. Terrified of the antler-toting spirit, climbing the great mountain was considered taboo in native culture and to dissuade intruders the flying moose clouds obscures the peaks with lightning storms and clouds. Even though hikers appear to ignore the spirit, you'd be hard-pressed to consider a winged moose weather lord anything but compelling and worthy of kudos. The powerful Pamola of American folklore deserves praise and veneration indeed.





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dingdong
Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:16:31 AM

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Mullan,
Why not Polish creatures? I'm sure Poland can do better than imbibing moosey above. Perhaps Pamola is a judge of beer, eh, JJ?
Come on, Mullan, give us something fearsome from Gdansk or Cracow.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:16:37 AM

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The first to come in mind from Polish (Slavic) mythological creatures is Baba Yaga.
The origin of this witch-like old hag is presumably influence of the neighbour Finnic people.


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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:59:00 AM

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Mullan wrote:
Thank you.
@Yakcal, your response might not be very helpful to me as I want something more typical, recocnisable to everyone, but Getchegume is interesting as well, so thank you. :))


If your aim is to write a story, are you in danger of being too predictable? I suppose it depends on your target readership; if it is children, surely they would all recognise Halloween monsters?
I still think you should stick to your roots.
Mullan
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:59:24 PM
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@dingdong, there's no target readership, I'm not going to publish it. Why do I care for there being in the story creatures that would really match the setting then, you might ask. Well, I just want to create a world that is complete, doesn't lack anything, doesn't contain elements from some other world. Why isn't the setting Polish, then, if I am and so it would be easier this way? Well... I don't really know. Seems I just wanted some other landscape, some other place. And also to get to know a bit of American folklore.
Hope those of you who were so kind to respond to my request don't feel disappointed by that that I am not a professional writer.
Want something fearsome from Poland? Here you are. :)
Bazyliszek, which you are probably familiar with, but may not know that it was killed in Poland ;) according to Wikipedia - by a man, but in a poem by Tadeusz Kubiak it is a girl who outwits Basilisk.
Here is the poem. It's one of the best poems I remember from childhood. pl-pl.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=256484424422585&id=249178698486491
The Wawel Dragon, which still dwells in Cracow and even earns money for the city by breathing fire in front of tourists. :P
There are also devils, e.g. Boruta, and witches.
And there is Safanduła, a cow good for threatening children who don't want to eat. And łaski, creatures that attack children who walk into forests without their parents' permission, and strangle them to death. But these two are not so much recognisable throughout Poland.

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
dingdong
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:42:37 AM

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Mullan, do you say you are not going to publish it, because you lack the confidence to write a story worthy of publishing? And you have no target readership? It seems odd someone would write a story with no purpose at all. I can understand stories being written with the intention of entertaining family and friends, but no one? How will you motivate yourself?

By the way, getting anything published the traditional way is very, very, very, very, very, very. very, very hard.
Publishing something yourself as an e-book is still very hard.
But that's no reason not to try.

Mullan
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:40:51 AM
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Yeah I know it's odd. :) Even this story is a bit odd. I know it wouldn't be amusing for anybody, and quite possibly it wouldn't be wholly understandable as well. That's why I won't try to publish it.
I like writing. Isn't that a good motivation?
Thank you for encouragement. :) But I don't want encouragement.

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:40:25 AM

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Yes, liking writing is good motivation, but there comes a time when any creative person wants to share their efforts, their pleasure, their gifts. But, if you are different, okay. I hope you enjoy your writing.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:52:50 AM

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Mullan,
create your own creature like Tolkien created the whole world and its history.
Have fun!
(if it's fun enough, share it with others by publishing it ;-)


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dingdong
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:00:23 AM

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JJ, shhh, go easy on the encouragement.
Mullan
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:00:40 PM
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@dindong, you didn't take offence for my not wanting encouragement, did you?
I sometimes do publish what I write (so I'm not that different:)). When I feel like doing so and if I think the piece in question might be interesting for other people. But that's not the case with the story I'm writing (actually wrote, but still haven't decided as to the names). This story means something to me, but it wouldn't be interesting to others.
@Jyrkkä Jätkä, the creatures don't play such an important role in my story, they just pass through a character's mind, and it's only their names that are mentioned... but, hmm, if I don't find anything I like, I may make something up. :)

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
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Mullan,

No, not at all. My attempts at humour are sometimes misunderstood.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:25:32 PM

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Dingdong mentioned the the judge for beer. Well, the matron goddess of beer was Sumerian Ninkasi. Not a monster, though ;-)
If you want to study the creatures from different cultures google "******* mythology" or "******* folklore".


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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:13:47 PM

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I would say the most universally recognizable supernatural entity among American children would be ghosts, especially those of dead people.

Cultural references are innumerable, from Turn of the Screw, to Topper, and from The Amityville Horror to Ghostbusters.

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Mullan
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Jyrkkä Jätkä, I have done some googling for Native American legends. They're really quiant. :)
dingdong, some people take offense when somebody doesn't want something they offer. Although I don't understand it, I've grown so accustomed to it (elderly Polish women are the best from the best at it) that I might have begun to see it everywhere.
Thanks again for all responses.

Please forgive me my mistakes. If there are any.
dingdong
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:13:42 PM

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Mullan wrote:
Jyrkkä Jätkä, I have done some googling for Native American legends. They're really quiant. :)
dingdong, some people take offense when somebody doesn't want something they offer. Although I don't understand it, I've grown so accustomed to it (elderly Polish women are the best from the best at it) that I might have begun to see it everywhere.
Thanks again for all responses.


Mullan, good that viagra spammers don't get offended, then.
So, what do elderly Polish women offer that no one should refuse? Is it pickled cabbage in beetroot sauce?
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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:01:48 PM

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[Off Topic] Pardon me but I found this very interesting, Yackal, do you have any online reference for this word usage?

Yakcal wrote:
When I was a kid there was a creature called a 'Getchegume' (pronounced-Get-cha-gu-me). I lived next door to and hung around with kids that belonged to the Navajo and Apache tribes. A Getchegume is a creature that lives in the wilderness and will creep into villages and take children away.


This is interesting Yakcal, I haven't found that usage yet, I've always heard Gitche Gumee as the Chippewa name for Lake Superior, well at least since I first heard Gordon Lightfoot's, "Ballad of the Edmund Fitzgerald", one of the best American ballads ever.




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I'm quite surprised no one has mentioned the nemisis of Ichabod Crane, the dreaded headless horseman in, "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." One of the best Halloween costumes my mom ever made me as a kid. This guy was actually quite well known among children in Pittsburgh neighborhoods, scary guy too,

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Epiphileon wrote:
I'm quite surprised no one has mentioned the nemisis of Ichabod Crane, the dreaded headless horseman in, "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow." One of the best Halloween costumes my mom ever made me as a kid. This guy was actually quite well known among children in Pittsburgh neighborhoods, scary guy too,


I am pleasantly surprised that Washington Irving's Knickerbocker Tales is still read outside of New England and New York. I never would have guessed that it had much influence beyond the Hudson Valley anymore.

ETA:

The Wikipedia article calls the character "Brom Bones," yet I recall it written as "Brawn Bones". Think Perhaps it is my memory, or perhaps a different recension.

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Mullan
Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:43:23 PM
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dingdong, it's food in general. Pickled cabbage in beetroot sauce? ...Er, not necessarily. :)

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A recent edition:


Like Chris, many kids fear the Evil Monkey in their closet.


Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

"Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless, and do no wrong". (Knight's Oath, Kingdom of Heaven)
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Never been to the USA, but I know of creature which Stephen King made very popular: Allamagoosalum. Children are also familiar with Sandman who, I believe, blows sand into children's eyes to make them fall asleep.

All of the USA history related stories, I remember the one with Indian Chief Sitting Bull and the dancing ritual called The Ghost Dance. Pretty scary stuff :)
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The ghost dance:




I think that the difficulty with finding 'typically American' supernatural creatures is that America is such a mixture of cultures - an area with many Polish people would have heard of one set from their parents, Chinatown would have a completely different set, as would an area where the population were mainly from England or Africa.

To cover the majority of children now, you would have to include the 'dementor', Voldemort, orcs, Nazgul - though the last two may be only relevant to older readers.

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Posted: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:42:33 AM

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Jezikoslovac wrote:
Never been to the USA, but I know of creature which Stephen King made very popular: Allamagoosalum. Children are also familiar with Sandman who, I believe, blows sand into children's eyes to make them fall asleep.


That reminds me of another that might be well known: Stripe from the movie Gremlins.

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