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I was diagnosed with Schizoid Personality Disorder when I was sixteen and although it has nearly crippled my ability to interact with other people socially I find that one of the benefits of the disorder is that I have been a constant examiner of human behavior in all its facets. Because I don't have the innate social structure that guides others I have always watched them to see how they do it. What are the rituals of human interaction. It's very fascinating from my viewpoint to observe how much of human behavior is meaningless artifice and ritual.
My question is are there known artists throughout history with Schizoid Personality Disorder?
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I think it is admirable that you find positives in this disorder. And the positive you mention puts you in an ideal position to be a commentator on human behaviour in all its quirks and foibles. You should write a novel - you have a unique perspective. Or, maybe you already have?
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The first name pops up in my mind is Albert Einstine. Though, he was a scientist but the artist in him as a writer makes him a perfect example of the persons you are looking for. Without his pedagogical art of writings he was only dust in the sand.
Turning your problems into multiple advantages is called synergy, another name of creativity.
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"My question is are there known artists throughout history with Schizoid Personality Disorder?" Jeech wrote:The first name pops up in my mind is Albert Einstine.
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I don't know that anyone has done a survey of history for creative, or famous people with SPD. A search on Google yielded relatively few results that were directly relevant, and the ones I checked were only the opinion of people with SPD of people they thought were similar. I wonder how long this diagnosis has been around, and on what basis it was established. I noticed that the DSM is considering removing it as a specific diagnosis; however, I have a huge amount of disdain, and a huge soapbox diatribe against that publication, as well as psychology in general. What I can tell you based on a considerable amount of training and research in personality and individual differences, is that there is a very strong correlation between creativity and high scores on the schizophrenia scale of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI). I would also say that anyone possessed of an keen and curious intellect that finds some aspect of their mentality to be sufficiently different from the majority of the population as to cause them to noticeably different, will most likely come to consider themselves a very active observer, and critic of what is considered "normal". Jeech there is next to no evidence that Einstein had SPD; however, there is speculation that he may have been a manic-depressive, another "disorder" associated with high creativity.
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At the age of 26, the patent clerk Albert Einstein emerged with a couple of sceintific papers that soon would be considered product of an extraordinary creative mind. How does that match the image of the young Albert labeled dull, dyslexic, even autistic or, schyzophrenic, by a considerale number of today's experts and interested parties? www.albert-einstein.org *It's wonderful to know that all languages are Greek if not understood. *
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The link doesn't work. This must be it. Einstein's Alleged Handicaps
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Hmm, yes. Check it please now. The article I wanted to present is this: www.albert-einstein.org *It's wonderful to know that all languages are Greek if not understood. *
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I've been lurking on this thread without comment but...Jeech - are you sure you read the article all through? Both your link and AlmostFree's are to the same article which refutes the claims you put forward in a rather robust manner.
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I'm with Epi. Absence of what you may call an innate social structure seems a banality among the people I know. Not that people don't differ, just that they do more often than not.
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Romany wrote:I've been lurking on this thread without comment but...Jeech - are you sure you read the article all through? Both your link and AlmostFree's are to the same article which refutes the claims you put forward in a rather robust manner. Actually, it mispelled in the link so it didn't work. I just throw it back by correcting it. As for the bubble that poped up my mind is concerned was burst apart with my first reading of the article. Otherwise, google had a lot of other articles that proved my earlier image of Einstein. I would add, many handicapped people do better in their areas than the normals because of a certain potential they develop in order to nullify the disability. It's the potential that keeps them on the excersice they like. =edit= A normal person can also adopt the pattern, some times by considering himself handicaped in some areas, and dexter in another. Perhaps, AE did the same. You can crystalise his life through reading the article above. However, his son Eduard Einstein had SPD, who was a magnificient musician. But let me check... I feel head locked while many folks would quick wanting my apology. *It's wonderful to know that all languages are Greek if not understood. *
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Jeech wrote: Otherwise, google had a lot of other articles that proved my earlier image of Einstein.
Hey, the Earth is flat, I found a ton of articles on Google that prove it. Jeech there can be no proof, one way or the other, Einstein is dead, even if he were alive, proving any diagnosis of a mental pathology, personality disorder, or even affective disorder, in any but the more severe cases is still beyond the ability of modern medicine. Extremely high intelligence is reason enough to explain Einsteins peculiarities, there is no need to assign them to a disorder of any type. Einstein's IQ is estimated to have been as high as 180, that is so high as to nearly qualify him as an alien. Hell compared to him the rest of us are dimwits, it is no wonder at all that he seemed a bit peculiar to the rest of us.
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We have veered away from the original question and gone on about Jeech & Einstein!
"Here;s something i came across on the net regarding SPD: One striking feature of people who are at the healthier end of the schizoid spectrum is their great capacity for creativity. Perhaps that capacity to disregard convention is adaptive for creative pursuits. The philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein, who made many creative contributions to his field, is said to have been schizoid. The British psychoanalyst Harry Guntrip and American psychiatrist Harry Stack Sullivan have both written movingly about their growing understanding of their own schizoid nature."
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I googled "famous schizoid people" and there are several threads, every one stating similar to the following extract. Schizoid is a type of a personality disorder, when a person has no interest in relationships with other people. The author Kafka did describe himself to have these personality characteristics. But, is the questioner really asking about schizophrenia? Famous schizophrenics are rare, due to the devastating toll this disorder has on one's life. Googling you will find a small list of names, such as Mary Lincoln, but not as many as you would find if you were researching those with bipolar disorder, in which you will find many creative and energetic people, also very troubled. The most famous example of a famous person with schizophrenia is due to the movie "A Beautiful Mind", John Nash, mathematician and Nobel Prize Winner. The genius of Brian Wilson, Beach Boys, was marred by his onset of psychotic symptoms early on, and he descended into depression and a bizarre lifestyle. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_famous_people_with_schizoid#ixzz1lh57SvNR
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I think that Jean Genet was an extraordinary person whether crazy or genius or schizoid.
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Jeech -
Can I just add a little vocabulary - or maybe even PC? - point here? Referring to persons who have not been formally diagnosed with any illness or disorder as "normals" or "normal people" is a tad rude. I have Bi-polar Syndrome but, hey, I consider myself far more normal even than some of the totally wierd people I work with but who've never been to a Shrink in their lives!!
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Yes Romany, ignorence is blissing. But on the other side, it's alarming when the horns start appearing on everyone's head.
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This is my personal motto(words to live by):
I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.(Socrates)
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Richard Brautigan was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and clinical depression at the Oregon State Hospital in 1955. Trout Fishing in America was published in 1967. Brautigan continued writing till the early 80's and shot himself in 1984.
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I am reminded of John Kennedy Toole and his only novel The Confederacy of Dunces that was published 11 years after his death by suicide. His mother carried the manuscript to publisher after publisher, insisting on her son's genius, until she finally found one to publish it. It is a wonderful depiction of life in New Orleans, LA, USA from the viewpoint of a socially challenged person.
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