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I have read the Bible concerning a verse apostle Paul made, and Christian preachers explain the meaning of this verse saying Jews are blinded by The God of The World (Satan) thus Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah. In short Jews are opposing the acceptance of Jesus since Jews are provided with worldly things from Satan.
How do you explain how The God of The World Satan provides this wealth to Jews?
Satan is not creating gold out of thin air to give to Jews. Is it not the greater society Jews live in, where Jews trade, provide services, manufacture goods for sale, which provides the income for Jews?
Does this tell you that the society which is primarily non Jew, mainly Christian, as Jews were primarily exiled into Europe, that Christians are working with the God of The World Satan in providing Jews worldly wealth.
How do you defend the statement made by apostle Paul while at the same time excluding Christians as working with The God of The World Satan in providing Jews the wealth Paul claimed Satan is giving to the Jews?
This also raises a situation as to why Jesus would had made the statement Jews would be exiled, Jews live among Christians, and Paul said Jews would be funded by Satan and how else would Jews get their wealth if not from the hands of Christians in Europe? Does this not raise a question such as this "Did Jesus suspect or expected Christians to willingly support Jews in Exile in Europe and that the wealth was of the origin of the God of The World?
It dont make sense as too why Jesus would had desired Jews to be exiled from Israel, to then fall into a situation of Christians funding Jews, by virtue of Christians are agents of The God of The World?
You probably do not belief that Satan is creating Gold out of thin air to provide Jews with the worldly life, could blessing Israel mean providing wealth to Jews, or is blessing meaning to use praising words to wish well for the Jews as it is said to bless Israel is encouraged in the Old Testament?
Is it possible the Christian scripture of the New Testament is incorrect where it states what Paul said concerning this matter?
How do you keep yourself above suspicion in todays world of Christian Zionism and Christian Denominations supporting Jews with respect to what apostle Paul said?
Blind leading the blind case! Jews are blinded by Satan for wealth, blinded Jews are leading the blind Christians to make the blinded Jews rich!
Where does all this lead too? Could it be profitable to venture even further? Would it proof anything? ................do we need preachers churches, are their wages worth the 10 percent of income many are giving.
No smoke without fire, you see the smoke? Yes.
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A Star In The Morning,
I have no dog in this fight, but, if I may I would like to ask you if you have a problem with Jewish people and their faith?
I am not Jewish, but, I admire the way that they have overcome persecution and discrimination, to persevere and remain faithful to 'their' Faith.
Most of the worlds greatest philanthropists are Jewish, and, they give far more than 10% of their wealth to worthy causes.
They have been hated by Christians for centuries as they are called the killers of Christ, yet, I have never known a Jewish person to bear a similar grudge against Christians.
To quote you;
Blind leading the blind case! Jews are blinded by Satan for wealth, blinded Jews are leading the blind Christians to make the blinded Jews rich!
How do you manage to come to this conclusion? Please do not lay the blame at Paul's feet.
I certainly do not see any smoke, simply because there is no fire!
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A Star In The Morning wrote:
I have read the Bible concerning a verse apostle Paul made, and Christian preachers explain the meaning of this verse saying Jews are blinded by The God of The World (Satan) thus Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah. In short Jews are opposing the acceptance of Jesus since Jews are provided with worldly things from Satan.
I have no interest in the religious aspects of this either, but it seems to me you make some grave mistakes in your post.
First, to which Bible verse do you refer?
You further claim Christian preachers explain this verse as you state it, but who are these preachers, and how many of them are you quoting? Assertions are not facts.
Finally, your conclusion is not supported as you offer no evidence or proof of what you have asserted. To say Jews are provided worldly things from Satan is simply that: something you say with no evidence.
In the end, you manage to condemn all who are not Jews as helpers of Satan, and Jews as victims of Satan. Not a very convincing argument.
A great many people will think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. ~ William James ~
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Star,
Once again I only skimmed your writing as I find it very hard to understand your logic, as I did in your previous post. (First time I ever saw Yahweh and penis in the same title. And I missed the whole point in my answer. Why would a woman god care about a man's penis being circumcised? Women have more important things to do than worry about a 'little flap' like that. Sorry guys. Could not resist. ) So I am not commenting on the content of this post but on the necessity of writing it at all. I would like to know why you wrote it.
Some of my best friends are Jewish. One of my doctors, a very kind, caring, brilliant man, is Jewish. I have friends from around the world of different faiths and colors.
Why do people care what religion, race, creed, color, or sex other people are? We are all here on this earth to do the best we can with our lives and to help others. To try to enjoy life and have some fun. To not sweat the small stuff. Etc.
Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. Bernard M. Baruch 1870-1965
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Adam Sandler is Jewish. His wife became one. Isn't love more beautiful than anything else?
I hate 'I hate'. Adolf H had hate against quite some groups and got in spite of this many followers. Unbelievable, but this happens. Human beings are weird. They pay more attention to differences than to what we have in common.
May sound a wee bit idealistic, but what's wrong with wishful yhinking? Most human beings I know do it,
Desiderius Erasmus said (roughly translated off the top of my head): "In the eyes of a fool everybody is a fool"
Give a man a fish you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime - Chinese proverb
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Ray41 wrote:A Star In The Morning,
I have no dog in this fight, but, if I may I would like to ask you if you have a problem with Jewish people and their faith? Hi Ray41 and FounDit, Sorry for the late reply. I might had felt that I would not need to respond to the topic's content as it was sufficiently backed up by preachers who are well learned and this message of Paul is well documented on many Christian web sites for you to read - in regards to how do you come to this conclusion anddont lay blame on Paul's feet. Concerning Jewish people first, I dont know if we see eye to eye on this, I dont consider people Jews on account of their alleged assosication to Torah and many other Books which the Christian Bible addresses or even Talmudic writtings, I associate Jews as belonging to their ancestral forefathers who were the 12 sons of Jacob also known as Israel. From a Christian viewpoint there are a large number of Israelis who had gotten missing or lost, which is widely prophecised in the New Testament by Jesus as the Lost Tribes of Israel. Today there are not many Jews who have their original Asiatic appearance, Christian Bible tells you in the Book of Ezra and Nehemiah that the foreigners were later not accepted, as was even in prior history. In regards to these thus as Jews I wonder what you mean by saying what "I have against them" and what "I have against their faith", I have never in my life time come across a single one of such Jews having any difficulty with any people of any religion, I sense you are having difficulty relating to the scenario I am posing as you are non Jew and possibly a Christian of sort I dont know much about since you question what Paul said. I fail to re-collect ever a Jew having to say I need a gentile to back me up in history. Sir which Hebrew book have you been reading or had read whereby such a situation exist of a gentile coming forward to stand up on account of Moses's followers? Mercy Mercy. Please if you find my remarks raising an implicating situation on the basis of the Christian religion's instructions say so ........there is a Grudge here. Cheers.
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A Star In The Morning wrote:
Sorry for the late reply. I might had felt that I would not need to respond to the topic's content as it was sufficiently backed up by preachers who are well learned and this message of Paul is well documented on many Christian web sites for you to read - in regards to how do you come to this conclusion anddont lay blame on Paul's feet.
Then you should have no trouble at all providing substantiation for your claims by citing a particular verse and one or more "preachers" whose interpretations you consider authoritative.
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A Star In The Morning wrote:
No smoke without fire, you see the smoke? Yes.
You see the mirror, Mr. MorningStar?
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Star,
I am reporting you. You need to remove your bias, your hatred, your ignorance, and you mental blight from this forum.
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Rhondish wrote:Star,
I am reporting you. You need to remove your bias, your hatred, your ignorance, and you mental blight from this forum. Already done. Banned by admin.
Question authority, before it questions you. How do you know, that you know, what you know?
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Oddly enough, the Latin name for the "Morning Star" is 'Lucifer' - ironic!
Though lovers be lost, love shall not, and Death shall have no dominion. - Dylan Thomas
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I always found it hard to believe that anyone's head could be in such a jumble as ASITM. Somehow, I always pictured some Undergraduate giving birth to this anonymous persona as a kind of dark joke: in which case I could well understand that the nom de plume was chosen deliberately as some kind of delicious little amusement.
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ASITM aka SELSMA.
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I would qoute our member perci's line:
"if one fuels the fire it countinues to burn."
Let me allow to put:
"All organisations - never mind fate, intellectuals, non-differentially all organisations - had right on banning inflamatories and throwing them away... Such people are only good for discarding after dotting."
*It's wonderful to know that all languages are Greek if not understood.*
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I would qoute our member percivalpecksniff's line:
"if one fuels the fire it countinues to burn."
Let me allow to put:
"All organisations - never mind fatuous, intellectuals, non-differentially all organisations - had right to ban inflamatories and throwing them away... Such people are only good for discarding after dotting."
*It's wonderful to know that all languages are Greek if not understood.*
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:Oddly enough, the Latin name for the "Morning Star" is 'Lucifer' - ironic! And as a "bearer of light," his sin of pride was to allow his reflection of the light to be worshipped as if it were the Source. Smoke and mirrors, indeed…
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