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I believe in God and know that He is forgiving. But this disturbing piece of news somehow makes me think about His power(or lack of it for that matter). http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Gangraped-Nepal-nun-now-faces-expulsion-from-nunnery/articleshow/9183371.cmsIs He really a forgiving God or is it just His inability to express Himself that lets people twist religious principles according to their comfort? Does He speak what he wishes us to do? In whose ears does He whisper his decisions and judgments? How do the tyrants of religion know what is God's point of view when they pass a decision about such cases? If only God could speak, would he let a woman suffer twice for someone else's sin? Lord Buddha converted prostitutes to nuns. I have always thought of Buddhism to be one of the most modern and most accommodating religions. This particular case is beyond my comprehension. Would someone be kind to please explain why the nun should be shunned from the nunnery?
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Once people convince themselves that they are in possession of "the truth," they allow themselves to commit any sort of cruelty.
Now there's no way you can prove that the universe makes sense, but there's just no fun in living in the universe if it doesn't make sense... -- Asimov
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God promises a fair judgment to all. He's al-Hakim, the best of judges (that's in Arabic, I'm sure it's in the Bible too.)
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Mikael Hakim (The Wanderer in the USA or The Sultan's Renegade in the UK) is a 1949 novel by Mika Waltari telling of the adventures of a young Finnish man, Mikael Karvajalka, in 16th century Europe. It tells the story how Mikael, a medical doctor, turns from Christianity to Islam and rises to a high state in the court of Suleiman the Magnificent. There are many actual historical events in this book, but how Mikael gets involved in them is fictitious.
Al-Hakim (Arabic: الحكيم /alḥakīm/ (wise or doctor)
حكيم /ḥakīm/ (wise)
حاكم /ḥākim/ (ruler)
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
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So you're referring to what? One of God's names happens to Al-Hakim, as well as Al-Hakam.
أَلَيْسَ اللَّهُ بِأَحْكَمِ الْحَاكِمِينَ
Certainly, I missed the one letter but still got the point.
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Any power in the hands of the mindless is catastrophic. Your question, in my view, is pointless. It is unfortunate that humans should look for the cause of their misdeeds in shortcomings of the Supreme. If it were true that he had any shortcomings, it would contradict our own assertion that he is the Supreme. And it would be inane to uphold any religion and idolise an imperfect 'God'.
God is, if anything, just. He will neither forgive, nor will he be biased. No power is potent enough to spare you a punishment for the minutest wrong, or stop you from enjoying a reward for the feeblest good you've done.
It's unfortunate that the jelly-brained illiterate of any religion whatever, have twisted ideas of their respective religions. An illeterate, or more aptly, fool of Hinduism would see a stone ideal as omnipotent and waste his time, energy, resources on extolling it all his life. A foolish Buddhist or Christian will see no difference between a married and a raped woman; and worse, will not accept a non-virgin fit enough to be a sincere enough adherent to his/ her religion. A foolish atheist or agnostic will treat any religious person as scum.
The real bane is not an ideology. One can see logic and reason and practise his religion in the same way when he has the faculties to do so. A fool would use gold as turmeric in his lunch and platinum as salt and keep whining all his life about how unjust God is to him.
वसुधैव कुटुम्बकं - हितोपदेश The world is my family.- Hitopadesh
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My faith says that GOD is fair in judging people.
You can do anything, but not everything. —David Allen
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@Gunjika, God is an abstract power which is all pervading. I too was, no doubt,appalled by the news of the ill-treatment meted out to a Bhuddist nun. Stray things like this and some others(un-reported) should not shake your belief in Him! As per the ancient Hindu Puraanas and vedic scriptures, Karma of a person beholds the fate of each and every human being and without the karma influence, such a pathetic event would not have taken place! Take for example, many, many innocent children die or become incapacitated at a very young age, not knowing what a sin is! How do you explain this without the help of the Karma Theory?
I loved what ludic has posted!
Cheers!
A man can fail several times, but he is not a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.
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So was it really Hume or Epicurus or Lactantius or someone else who said this:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
O this thread is ancient except for the last post
The opposite of hatred is love; the opposite of tyranny is love; the opposite of censorship is love; the opposite of evil is love; the opposite of politics is love; the opposite of war is love; the opposite of god is love.–– Salman Rushdie
Broadly speaking, it is held that getting money is good and spending money is bad. Seeing that they are two sides of one transaction, this is absurd; one might as well maintain that keys are good, but keyholes are bad. Whatever merit there may be in the production of goods must be entirely derivative from the advantage to be obtained by consuming them. –Bertrand Russell
Never believe a liar. Papa, angry people burn our home.
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It was Epicurus, but it's often attributed to Hume as quoted, who expanded on the paradox.
Epicurus was quite a character it seems, and quite a revolutionary thinker for the time.
Arguing with a creationist is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and fly back to it's flock to claim victory.
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